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Old 04-01-2008, 05:45 AM     Post subject: Ferguson experiment question #1 (permalink)  
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I did a search, but couldn't find anything on this. When Ferguson did his whole $1 to $20K, he would only buy into a game with 5% of his bankroll. If he is buying into a cash game, how many BB did he start with?

For example, let's say his bankroll is at $40. That means he would be buying into a game with $2. I only play on Pokerstars, so will just use them as a reference:
-If he bought into a .01/.02 game, he would start the game with 100BB.
-If he bought into a .02/.05 game, he would start the game with 40BB.
-If he bought into a .05/.10 game, he would start the game with 20BB.

100BB seems a bit high to me as that would mean you would need a bankroll of $1000 to play in the .25/.50 games.
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Old 04-01-2008, 05:55 AM     Post subject: Re: Ferguson experiment question #2 (permalink)  
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I did a search, but couldn't find anything on this. When Ferguson did his whole $1 to $20K, he would only buy into a game with 5% of his bankroll. If he is buying into a cash game, how many BB did he start with?

For example, let's say his bankroll is at $40. That means he would be buying into a game with $2. I only play on Pokerstars, so will just use them as a reference:
-If he bought into a .01/.02 game, he would start the game with 100BB.
-If he bought into a .02/.05 game, he would start the game with 40BB.
-If he bought into a .05/.10 game, he would start the game with 20BB.

100BB seems a bit high to me as that would mean you would need a bankroll of $1000 to play in the .25/.50 games.
He played SNG's to start out IIRC
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Old 04-01-2008, 05:55 AM #3 (permalink)  
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it was on the full tilt tips from the pros stuff i think.

the start is going to be iffy no matter what, but it's doable. the bankroll management is a little light at the beginning (i.e. the entire br on the table at .02 NL), so you have to be a little lucky to get started. after that its just a bankroll management exercise.
 
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Old 04-01-2008, 02:33 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 He started with freerolls right? I heard he had to win a few cause the first couple he won, he lost the cash playing under rolled...inevitable.

I did a similar thing at stars with my FPP after I cashed out last summer, playing the 70FPP sunday 100k qualifiers, then getting 11 T$. I don't even think he got that much from his freerolls, so he had to have been playing underrolled for a little while.

Didn't it take him 9 months to go from 0 - $100, then another 9 months to go from $100 - $10k?

Gotta play a lot of freerolls to get even a bit of cash to start building a BR.

And yes, $1k is the min recommended BR for .25/.50 games, though I believe most of the BR nits here would say $1250 or $1500...
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Old 04-01-2008, 03:34 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Maybe I should rephrase my question. Me and a buddy are having a little competition where we start with $40 and see what we can turn it into playing cash games only (full table). I don't think he has the ability to manage his money very well and will sit down at a cash table and either do well or go bust. I am going to incorporate Ferguson's strategy with the 5%/10% rule and see how it goes.

He only plays one table at a time and I multi-table, so to make it fair we will be using highest BB/100 as the winner over minimum 1000 hands. I know that isn't all that many hands, but at the rate he plays it could take awhile before he reaches that many hands

5% of my starting roll is $2, so which game on PokerStars should I be sitting down at?
.01/.02 game, starting the game with 100BB.
.02/.05 game, starting the game with 40BB.
.05/.10 game, starting the game with 20BB.
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 If you want to win the friendly competition with yer buddy, play .01/.02 games. They'll be the easiest to get the highest BB/100.

Of course if he puts his whole roll on a 50NL table, doubles up then plays like a rock he'll probably have a higher total winnings than you, but more likely he'll go broke in a hurry.

But to make it fair, you should both be playing the same limits.
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Old 04-01-2008, 05:09 PM #7 (permalink)  
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He will be playing low limits as well, likely .05/.10. Maybe we should use something other than BB/100 to determine a winner?

I still haven't really found an answer for the following:
Buyin for $2...which is the best choice?
.01/.02 game, starting the game with 100BB.
.02/.05 game, starting the game with 40BB.
.05/.10 game, starting the game with 20BB.

Is 20BB even enough to work with and is 100BB too much?
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Old 04-01-2008, 06:04 PM #8 (permalink)  
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He will be playing low limits as well, likely .05/.10. Maybe we should use something other than BB/100 to determine a winner?

I still haven't really found an answer for the following:
Buyin for $2...which is the best choice?
.01/.02 game, starting the game with 100BB.
.02/.05 game, starting the game with 40BB.
.05/.10 game, starting the game with 20BB.

Is 20BB even enough to work with and is 100BB too much?
There are some who say that playing short-stacked can be fairly profitable, but I have no experience with it outside of playing tourneys.

Playing 20BB deep means when you flop TPGK you're basically forced to go in...which I imagine could be fairly high variance. You don't get as much chance to exploit post-flop errors in your opponents. If you suck postflop, then play short. If you wanna take advantage of the micro-donks post flop errors, then play full.

I dunno really, but 100BB deep is definitely not "too much".
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Old 04-01-2008, 06:15 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Playing 20BB deep means when you flop TPGK you're basically forced to go in...which I imagine could be fairly high variance.
LoLz, as opposed to dumping 100+BB to a cooler?
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Old 04-01-2008, 07:08 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Playing 20BB deep means when you flop TPGK you're basically forced to go in...which I imagine could be fairly high variance.
LoLz, as opposed to dumping 100+BB to a cooler?
MmmMm....touche (generally)

But in mike's plan, 20BBs deep has the same bankroll implications as 100BBs deep since he's planning on buying in for $2 regardless of what limit he's playing at.

So where he could get away from a strong pair 100BBs deep, only losing maybe 20-40BBs (less than a buck at 2NL), he's now pushing the entire $2 in when short at 10NL.

I imagine playing 20BBs deep at 2NL would be less variance than 100BB deep at 2NL for a player with mediocre postflop skills (like me), but I don't really know.

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