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Old 09-22-2005, 03:11 PM     Post subject: Failing with AKs - how's the play? #1 (permalink)  
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This happens so often with this goofy hand (it misses), I'm wondering if I played it properly in this case. Many times I would just check the flop, but in this case I at least have the nut flush draw, and ace high is probably good at the flop, plus only 1 opponent. Forvie the manual HH, no auto-generated available.

The opponent in this case was a loose calling station - loved to chase a flush or straight.

Pac Poker 5c/10c NL $10

Hero LP1 [$9.23]
Villain Lp2 [$6.68]

Dealt to Hero: :Ac: :Kc:

Hero raises to $0.50
Villan calls

[Pot $1.20]
Flop:
Hero bets $1.00
Villain calls $1.00

[Pot $3.10]
Turn: :Js:
Hero bets $1.00
Villain raises $1.00
Hero calls $1.00

[Pot $6.90]
River: :Td:
Hero checks
Villain is All in
Hero folds

I put Villain on the J9 or JT. Could've been QJ/KJ/AJ, a pocket pair, a pair on the board etc. But knowing how much he liked to chase draws, I'm thinking J9/JT the most likely. He's pretty sure that he's got it handled at the river (the few times I saw him win a hand he would allin on the river when he knew his hand was best, and was called a couple times - flush draws he chased at a poor price too).

So one question - should I have bothered to bet the turn or just check it? Should I have bet $2-$3 on the turn, still representing an overpair?
The river play is pretty standard I'm assuming.
I basically probe-bet the turn - if this guy had a jack, then as a calling station he's not going anywhere, even to a $3 bet - which of course is great when I really have an overpair, but not so hot here

Thanks for commetns in advance!

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Old 09-22-2005, 03:14 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 I love to push with AKs and flush draw on flop. Most of the time you will in there. Sometimes you get called with and you have a lot of outs with either a flush of over cards.

You are a favorite over any PP like JJ or TT with 2 over and flush draw.
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Old 09-22-2005, 03:54 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Really tough one. Against a typical opponent I bet the pot amount on the turn with a perception of 15 clean outs and fold equity that arrives with a broadway.

Against a calling station I check and call with lost fold equity and good implied odds (he'll pay off a flush)
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Old 09-22-2005, 04:02 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I love to push with AKs and flush draw on flop. Most of the time you will in there. Sometimes you get called with and you have a lot of outs with either a flush of over cards.

You are a favorite over any PP like JJ or TT with 2 over and flush draw.
This is not a cash game move Bo G. This is a tournament move. You need to have tremendous fold equity and vested interest in the pot to make this play. Rarely should you jam a draw in cash game, especially OOP. You're only getting called if you're behind, and the pot isn't significant enough. In tournament, the blinds could be like 300-600, and therefore you have great interest in taking down a 3,000 chip flop pot with aggression and outs on top of a threat of elimination for your opponent increasing the fold equity.
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Old 09-22-2005, 04:14 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Hmmm...that does make it tough in this situation - since the guy was just as much a chaser as a calling station - I might have been good to go with a pot bet on the turn if he was chasing, and would have been hurting if he hit something there or just had a pair that he was taking to the river.

Thanks for the comments!

Oh, and I agree completely about the tournament vs. ring game play as far as pushing the flop goes. I would definitely do it in a tourney when the pot is worth the move...but I am way too conservative in cash games to pull that, even as a coin-flip favorite.
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