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spoonitnow
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04-22-2008, 04:24 PM
Post subject: Facing a LP Continuation Bet in LP
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Assume 100bb stacks.
Folds to 15/12 villain with 65% cbet in CO who opens to 4xbb. We call on the button, and the blinds fold.
The pot is 9.5bb and the flop comes K  9 5. Villain bets 7bb.
1. What is our range?
2. What part of our range do we call/raise with?
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
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jimmy44
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For me you miss the attent to steal BB %
Let's assume 40%:
1. 22-99, 67s-JTs (higher I raise)
2. 55/99,67s-JTs
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by jimmy44
For me you miss the attent to steal BB %
Let's assume 40%:
1. 22-99, 67s-JTs (higher I raise)
2. 55/99,67s-JTs
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So you raise with J  T ?
If yes, then why raise instead of float?
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Ltrain
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If I am playing against this villian I am likely 3betting pf not calling. If I am calling, it is a low pocket pair to hit a set or suited connectors. If I didn't hit this flop, I let it go. If I hit a set or draw, I raise the flop.
You could try to float with a read, but since I raise a wide range here, the aggression helps to hide my hand. I don't like to float these villians too much because they are very aggro and usually regulars; they are more willing to 2 barrel bet/fold a wide range of hands before they will give up and check fold the turn.
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Miffed22001
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id say our opponent is something like 16/12 pre so id repop at least half of that range preflop.
The rest id c/r the turn if i like my hand lots otherwise id call and donk turn with the rest and muck any crap on the flop.
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d0zer
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calling range: 22-TT, I'm 3-betting a fair bit vs this villain preflop.
I don't float much, and will usually fold to a c-bet when I miss. Occasionally with this villain I'll bluff when I miss my sethunting and raise his c-bet up with my heart in my throat. I'd generally like his c-bet% to be higher than 65% though for that though.
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Erpel
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1. 22-99, ATs-A8s, KJ, KTs, QJs-76s, QTs-J9s
2a - call: 66-JJ, AdTd-Ad8d, QdJd-7d6d, QdTd-Jd9d, KJ, KTs
2b - raise: 55, 99
Hmm, that seems awfully transparent. I should probably add QdJd, JdTd, 8d7d, 7d6d and QdTd to the raising range. I don't think any of my KJ-KT options are strong enough for a raise. It all seems terribly weak. I think I'm failing this one.
I have a feeling my ranges are off here, but I don't know what they should be.
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XTR1000
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We have to float a high % the time to make a preflop call with 22-55 profitable
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Originally Posted by bigred
xtr stand for exotic tranny retards
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MuddyWicket
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XTR are you saying that because of his position (late) and presumably a wider raising range and that he has a smaller felting range. A lot of which is cbetting air?
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jimmy44
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by jimmy44
For me you miss the attent to steal BB %
Let's assume 40%:
1. 22-99, 67s-JTs (higher I raise)
2. 55/99,67s-JTs
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So you raise with J T ?
If yes, then why raise instead of float? |
Actually, I mean I raise QJs+
I call with JTs.
I raise with QJs+ to balance my 3bets with KK/AA.
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XTR1000
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Originally Posted by MuddyWicket
XTR are you saying that because of his position (late) and presumably a wider raising range and that he has a smaller felting range. A lot of which is cbetting air?
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Right on the money. His possible felting range is actually not smaller, but potential felting hands make a much smaller % of his openeing range, what makes calling for setvalue unprofitable. OTOH, if he´s uncomfortable with playing OOP or folds tight on turn we may float 22-55 into the green
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Originally Posted by bigred
xtr stand for exotic tranny retards
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MuddyWicket
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that's food for thought. There are a lot of small to mid sized pots that could be won here, either at showdown when they miss or by taking advantage of weakness. I must admit the majority of my late position raises aren't looking for the pot to get big in at all.
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
id say our opponent is something like 16/12 pre so id repop at least half of that range preflop.
The rest id c/r the turn if i like my hand lots otherwise id call and donk turn with the rest and muck any crap on the flop.
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.... I just said villain is 15/12....
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Renton
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call most pps Kx 9x, raise bluffs and bottom pair and draws and sets.
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