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dalecooper

04-26-2006, 05:18 PM Post subject: Exercise

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$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, April 26, 13:16:11 ET 2006
Table No Bananas (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 4: JPB63 ( $24.25 )
Seat 5: icroid ( $27.79 )
Seat 6: Kenai07 ( $3.43 )
Seat 2: stressball10 ( $33.10 )
Seat 1: arwas ( $4.53 )
Seat 3: alexace68 ( $17.62 )
alexace68 posts small blind [$0.10].
JPB63 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to stressball10 [ 4h 4d ]
icroid calls [$0.25].
arwas has left the table.
Kenai07 folds.
stressball10 calls [$0.25].
alexace68 calls [$0.15].
JPB63 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, 6c, Kh ]
alexace68 checks.
JPB63 checks.
icroid bets [$0.75].
stressball10 folds.
alexace68 calls [$0.75].
JPB63 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
alexace68 bets [$0.25].
Susan_F has joined the table.
icroid raises [$1.50].
alexace68 raises [$2.50].
icroid calls [$1.25].
** Dealing River ** [ 6d ]
alexace68 is all-In [$13.87]
icroid calls [$13.87].

What do you think both players have here?

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cardsman1992

04-26-2006, 05:30 PM

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icroid--K6 spades
alexace--45 clubs.

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04-26-2006, 05:35 PM

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icroid:KJ
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yorib

04-26-2006, 05:52 PM

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Alexace: straight 3-7
Icorid: Full House 7s over 6s

dalecooper

04-26-2006, 06:00 PM

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I'll drop a few more crumbs of information: 1. icroid hesitated a bit before calling the re-raise on the turn, and longer on the river before calling the all in. 2. Both players seemed typical for the stakes - semi-loose and passive, prone to roll over to most shows of serious aggression, inclined to limp a lot but rarely called pre-flop raises, and rarely raised themselves before the flop. 3. Both players were not really action players, usually betting small amounts, calling more often than betting or raising, and not getting involved in big pots.

(The reason I posted this, by the way, is because I called both their hands before the cards were turned over, and it made me feel speeeecial. I think it's a good hand-reading exercise for the stakes; both of them gave a lot away here.)

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04-26-2006, 06:14 PM

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my first thought was i:kj, a:busted flush draw. The hesitation by i lends itself to this kind of showdown, but the fact that they're both pretty tight says something else.

after that last post... I'm thinking i:kq or ak and a:67s, 65s, 54s

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04-26-2006, 06:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yorib

Alexace: straight 3-7
Icorid: Full House 7s over 6s

Thinking the same thing...

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04-27-2006, 12:53 AM

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Alex 54, Icorid KQ.

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04-27-2006, 12:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny_fish

Alex 54, Icorid KQ.

My prediction as well

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04-27-2006, 01:26 AM

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I don't play 6 max right now, so I don't know. But wouldn't KQ and KJ raise preflop? Heck, I do in full ring!

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04-27-2006, 01:40 AM

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Alex 33
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04-27-2006, 06:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dalecooper

(The reason I posted this, by the way, is because I called both their hands before the cards were turned over, and it made me feel speeeecial. I think it's a good hand-reading exercise for the stakes; both of them gave a lot away here.)

It's a lot easier when you've seen them play.. I mean, I often know what my opponents have too, but if I would read the transcript here it'd be a lot harder..

That being said, the first guy (who check/called the flop) has the straight and the second guy has K6.

But wait, if the second hesitated to call on turn and river, he can't have the boat. So maybe K7?

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04-27-2006, 12:37 PM

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I'll go through my logic -

icroid calls [$0.25].
alexace68 calls [$0.15].

We know very little about their hands here. Loose or semi-loose and passive players at 6 max limp and complete their small blinds with lots of hands. We can be fairly certain neither of them has AA or KK; other than that their range is pretty wide open, except icroid probably doesn't have complete trash (no 72o or anything like that).

** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, 6c, Kh ]
alexace68 checks.
JPB63 checks.
icroid bets [$0.75].
stressball10 folds.
alexace68 calls [$0.75].

This is probably not just a position bet by icroid - he's not last to act, and he bet almost the pot. For the type of player I described, this behavior is right in line with top pair/decent kicker, possibly two pair. I immediately would think he has a hand like K9, KT, KJ, KQ; maybe 67. These types of players are prone to slowplay two pair involving the top pair, even though they shouldn't, so I don't put him on K6 or K7.

The call from alexace68 could mean a lot of things. The board is draw-heavy with straight and flush draws possible, so either of those is likely: 45, 58, or 89 any suit; possibly even 8T, 53, or 59; and possibly a pair of sevens (these players give too much action on low and middle pairs when they shouldn't). He could also be slowplaying something: a set, maybe two pair. So his hand range is wide.

** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
alexace68 bets [$0.25].
icroid raises [$1.50].
alexace68 raises [$2.50].
icroid calls [$1.25].

At first glance this is a blank card. Not a heart, low and not apparently connected to the board. But it completely altered alexace's pattern. For one thing, he min-bet instead of checking. Why? Well it's possible he has a draw that he'd like to see through, and this is a blocking bet. But when he re-raises, that possibility goes away. He's just not tricky enough - he and icroid both are very transparent players. That leaves only the possibility that he was slowplaying, or that the 3 helped him. I would think that if he was slowplaying and had someone betting for him, he would not change it up and min-bet the turn. Those bets so often work as blocking bets that this is the last thing he'd want to do at these stakes. Besides that, his type of player often gets locked into a pattern. If they're slowplaying they check-call, then check-raise. This sudden bet and then re-raise suggests strongly that his hand has changed. So I put him on one of three hands: K3, 73, or 45, most likely the latter.

icroid's call only tells us that he probably doesn't have better than top pair. He would probably raise again with two pair or better; most weak players at 25NL 6 max play two pair like it was the mortal nuts. They also have a hard time folding top pair/decent kicker. I think he has a king with a 9 or better kicker.

** Dealing River ** [ 6d ]
alexace68 is all-In [$13.87]
icroid calls [$13.87].

The all-in tells us with 95% certainty that alexace doesn't have 73 or K3, both of which just got counterfeited. It's also out of character for him to slam all his chips in like this - not just in this hand, but in general. If he had a boat I would expect more of a value bet. This bet suggests he's not extremely happy with the river card - I've seen this type of player make this exact overbet many times when a flush draw hit, or the board paired, and they were holding what used to be the nuts. Because of all this, I put him on exactly 45.

icroid's hesitation-call means he doesn't have a boat - I stick with the idea that he just has a king. Calling an all-in with just a king is a little loose even for these guys, so I think he has two facecards (but not AK, which he would have raised with) - KJ or KQ.

Results in white, although this is pretty obvious now: icroid had KJo; alexace had 4s 5s.

yorib

05-01-2006, 02:08 AM

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Thanks for the detailed analysis, it really goes a long way to explaining their thought process.

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05-01-2006, 02:52 AM

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He called an all-in with TP on that board?.. well, nice analysis, but extremely read-dependant imho.

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