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pokerfan
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09-01-2008, 08:37 AM
Post subject: easy shove, fold or any other plan in 1/2 NL live game
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4-of-a-Kind
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my image was pretty tight and also showed some cheap bluffs occasionally. Villain was a passive semi-loose timid guy who looked like straightforward. A few hands ago, he muttered to himself about how big my overpair must be and folded his 99 to my big c-bet on Q44 flop. I did have KK in that hand.
this time i had QQ on MP3 , raised to $15 to isolate one early loose limper, villain called on CO. Its HeadsUp and our effective stack was like total $350 behind.
flop: 3 3 3 hero bet $25, villain popped up to $75.
whats your game plan NOW?? Fold, 3 bet/shove on this flop or c/bomb on the turn ??
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ATOTHEC101
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well i have no knowledge of live play but if this guys already shown a tendency to get away from strong (ish) hands id just let him hang himself and check bomb any non king or ace turn as he hes drawing to 2 outs most of the time here. If hes slowplayed kk or aa your screwed regardless. I guess you could just employ zeebo and 4 bet the flop hoping he cant fold his lower boat but id play it a bit slower on the offc hance hes bluffing/overplays smaller pair etc. Im thinking villain has 99-jj here most of the time.
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Deanglow
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Do whatever you feel would look weaker to him so either 3bet or call.
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so long as we get lots of money in any line suits IMO.
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you guys probably play too much online no-tell poker 
my solid read is that villain was very timid/passive and often refused to make/call a big bet without a real hand on the flop in a few spots. The majority of his range is TT-AA or quads given my super tight image and his flop huge aggression. Also, I'm pretty sure that he'd rarely raise with 99-TT against a very tight range. How does this change your mindset? We should still call off our whole stack???
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call and fold to a large turn bet. if he checks turn, bet/bet.
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Deanglow
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call and fold to a large turn bet. if he checks turn, bet/bet.
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I think this is guy is waaaaaaay more likely to play 88-JJ like it is the nuts here and slowplay a better hand
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pokerfan
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call and fold to a large turn bet. if he checks turn, bet/bet.
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I think this is guy is waaaaaaay more likely to play 88-JJ like it is the nuts here and slowplay a better hand |
i used nutsinho's line as played, the guy immediately bet another $75 when checked to. So i shoved and lost to a better hand (KK) he slow played preflop.
in my opinion, the $75 bet in 1/2 NL live games really means serious business. God Dammit, i've got to trust my read next time i run into this situation.
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Deanglow
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call and fold to a large turn bet. if he checks turn, bet/bet.
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I think this is guy is waaaaaaay more likely to play 88-JJ like it is the nuts here and slowplay a better hand |
i used nutsinho's line as played, the guy immediately bet another $75 when checked to. So i shoved and lost to a better hand (KK) he slow played preflop.
in my opinion, the $75 bet in 1/2 NL live games really means serious business. God Dammit, i've got to trust my read next time i run into this situation. |
Meh I still think you are ahead of his range that he plays like this. 1010 is tough, probably a fold tho
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I think this is guy is waaaaaaay more likely to play 88-JJ like it is the nuts here and slowplay a better hand
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Most live players are sooo passive with showdown value and put you on a big pair here way too often. Also KK flats like almost always and AA flats almost as often. I only see good aggression at the biggest game in the room or with a very easy player read.
Barring better reads, I hate life here.
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