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Fnord
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12-16-2005, 12:08 PM
Post subject: Easy one, right?
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The usual fishing hole.
I have 88 and raise it up to $3 from MP, SB call, BB folds.
Flop is A A 6
SB pushes for $20, I call
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Reads? If this is a normal fish i guess I call but against a tricky player I propably fold here, against KcQc a flip, if he has A you are well behind, otherwise propably about 75-25 for you unless he has a PP too. But yes, standard action is to call.
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Ehh, tough one here. He definitely doesn't have an ace, he'd want to "sucker you along" to get as much as he can from you.
You could be in trouble here, possibly up against 99/TT/JJ. At best you're up against two overs so you'll have to dodge some outs. I still think you have to make this call, though.
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LeFou
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Opp does not have an A... he would wait for fnord to bet unless he's really really dumb. Opp very likely has a PP, 77-22 being quite a bit more likely than 99-KK. K6 plausible too.
Yeah, it's an easy one.
Isn't it?
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is it so easy to claim that his hand is so weak? even fish slow down on a paired ace flop in a raised pot, right?
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Fnord
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Just an observation...
You guys give people too much credit for quality starting hands.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Just an observation...
You guys give people too much credit for quality starting hands.
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well.. all we know is heshe called a PFR, then pushed a paired board. we don't even know how many at the table. or stack sizes.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by LeFou
well.. all we know is heshe called a PFR, then pushed a paired board. we don't even know how many at the table. or stack sizes.
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He has just over $20, I have $200. He called me out of the blinds.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Just an observation...
You guys give people too much credit for quality starting hands.
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Me thinks he wouldn't call a PFR with total dirt. Then he wouldn't make that play with total dirt.
If you found somebody that is pushing 25o on you in this spot, you make him your new best friend and follow him from table to table.
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Originally Posted by Ultimate George
Me thinks he wouldn't call a PFR with total dirt.
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Ummm... he's a short stack and calling $3 from an evil aggro raising bully to defend his 50c blind.
I guess your $5 opener doesn't get a lot of calls from dogshit cards....
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Yeah I get confused by the so called "easy" decisions as well.
I guess its a difference between the limits. I never see an open push after a PFR call on a paired aces board unless they have an ace or flopped a boat in the $10 NL games I play, and if I have a 10x larger stack than them, I DEFINITELY dont see this, because they are afraid to bluff the larger stack.
Maybe its just my lack of experience. I fold this unless I have a very solid read on the player. They would pretty much expect me to have an ace in my hand because of the PFR, and would either check it or throw out a very small probe bet if they didnt hit. The open push to me would seem more like a fake-bluff, because any reasonable pot sized bet is only getting them folds with the scary board unless their opp has an ace.
Then again I'm probably giving them too much credit, like you said. I just dont think my chances are good enough that he has a PP under 8's. Well, I guess if he REALLY thinks he has a read on you as NOT having an ace, he might make this move with two clubs... I dont see him making it with overs like KQ or KJ.
This would be a hard decision for me.
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Originally Posted by Werddown
I never see an open push after a PFR call on a paired aces board unless they have an ace or flopped a boat in the $10 NL games I play, and if I have a 10x larger stack than them, I DEFINITELY dont see this, because they are afraid to bluff the larger stack.
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I find this hard to beleive.
I put him on:
2 clubs, 6x, pocket pairs. Maybe an Ace, but I discount it because I would expect something like a flop check/raise or even slow play. Even if he has the Ace or 66, I have a couple outs.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by Werddown
I never see an open push after a PFR call on a paired aces board unless they have an ace or flopped a boat in the $10 NL games I play, and if I have a 10x larger stack than them, I DEFINITELY dont see this, because they are afraid to bluff the larger stack.
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I find this hard to beleive. |
I know, it seems opposite. I just find at the very low limits, people are absolutely terrified unless they have some type of hand.
Maybe I'm getting an incredibly long streak of rock-like tables.
My top pair hardly ever gets paid off beyond the flop... I know this is standard but it seems like worse players would continue with top pair weak kicker with no draws on the board. I only get played back at when they flop sets, two pair, or hit their draws.
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Originally Posted by Ultimate George
Me thinks he wouldn't call a PFR with total dirt.
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Ummm... he's a short stack and calling $3 from an evil aggro raising bully to defend his 50c blind.
I guess your $5 opener doesn't get a lot of calls from dogshit cards.... |
Given your image this is an insta-call then.
And, you'd be surprised the type of "dogshit" that calls my $5 raises.
Also, with shortstacks on my left I generally don't bet $5, unless I'm okay with pot-committing myself preflop.
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I am not so sure Fnords image isn’t working against him here. If fnord has been seen to be really aggressive then pushing there with an A isn’t such a bad move with a short stack. He expects a call. If I expected a call then I would push with an A. Other than that his most likely holding is a 6.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
2 clubs, 6x, pocket pairs.
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He's scared his hand will get worse, otherwise he's not playing this fast. I think you are ahead at his point.
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I fold here.
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Results:
He had Q6s. Easy money.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Results:
He had Q6s. Easy money.
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Short stacks love to use FE when it isn't there..
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Originally Posted by johnny_fish
Short stacks love to use FE when it isn't there..
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There are a lot of times I really can't call here. Although I like a check/raise better.
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Checkraise: lower fold%, bigger pot, more FE/EV.
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I would fold here because he at worst has overcards, and if he is ahead then you have only two outs. I don't think a call here is +EV.
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This reminds me of a $1-2 NL session in the casino. Super loose preflop, somewhat aggressive game. 5 limpers to me in the CO with KK. I bet $18 and get 3 callers (BB, one EP and one LP super LAGgy guy). Flop comes AA8 (with two spades). BB goes all in (for a bit more what was in the pot), Mr. LAGgy thinks and calls, I fold.
BB had A9o, LAGgy had A5s.
If the 2nd guy hadn't called, I don't know if I would have called or not. I'm pretty sure I would have folded though.
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