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Dashi
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09-07-2007, 02:23 AM
Post subject: Is this an easy of call as I think it is?
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Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 , 7 .
6 folds, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero checks.
Flop: ($0.60) 8 , Q, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.5, Button calls $0.50.
Turn: ($1.60) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.
River: ($1.60) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $1, Button raises to $3, Hero raises to $7, Button raises to $28.3 (All-In), Hero ??
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Hawk
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I'd have a hard time folding, but I'd be afraid he was slowplaying J10.
Do people slow play much at this level? (I'm just about to start playing for real money as soon as my deposit to epassporte goes through...)
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martindcx1e
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i think you have to go broke here
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NLHE lahooozaher
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I would not reraise river if you're going to fold to a push. I would also just c/f the flop and turn since 4 of your straight cards gives you an obvious straight and an idiot straight.
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Deanglow
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You suck if you don't call.
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Dashi
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He was indeed slow, playing JT, I did in fact call. I felt stupid because I never saw the possibility of the other straight, not proud of it at all.
The bet on the flop was simply to try and take down the pot right there. Against 1 other limper this works far more than 1 in 2 attempts. Small hands for small pot. His call meant I was done without completing the straight. Even completing it on the top end would have only seen me call what would have been a very small bet.
Lesson learned, LOOK AT THE FREAKING FLOP BETTER YOU MORON.
Thanks have a nice day.
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Deanglow
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I think the lesson learned should be sometimes the poker gods hate you and there is nothing you can do about these situations except go broke and profusely exclaim obscenities.
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Ash256
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Ah, note him up.. I like to use s/r for these situations (slowplaying retard).
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
You suck if you don't call.
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Your posts are very bad and serve little point.
He does not suck if he folds, actually, he makes a very good fold b/c there is nothing in this players range but the nuts.
Break down villains range on each street with each bet, JT is all that's left.
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
You suck if you don't call.
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Your posts are very bad and serve little point.
He does not suck if he folds, actually, he makes a very good fold b/c there is nothing in this players range but the nuts.
Break down villains range on each street with each bet, JT is all that's left. |
i think a set, 2 pair, or the same straight could play it like this.
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Lol, seriously?
Im a huge calling station and I don't want to call this.
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
Lol, seriously?
Im a huge calling station and I don't want to call this.
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it's a limped pot and villain had the button. his range is huge imo. he could've called flop with 85 and gone nuts with a rivered 2 pair. he could have called with 55 and gone nuts with a rivered set. he could have flopped 2 pair and slowplayed the turn cuz "it looked safe." he could also have 67. i don't think this is always JT by a long shot.
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Deanglow
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I really don't think this is always J10. We have the 2nd nuts and villain could easily have a set, two pair, or if they really suck, a poorly played overpair. I can't see a fold here.
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
You suck if you don't call.
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Your posts are very bad and serve little point.
He does not suck if he folds, actually, he makes a very good fold b/c there is nothing in this players range but the nuts.
Break down villains range on each street with each bet, JT is all that's left. |
What about 55?
His turn range is absolutely fuggin massive right?
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Who gives a flying f$#k about his turn range, he just 4bet shoved the river, um, that elimiates 99.8% of hands from his turn range.
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Deanglow
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Are we really just calling the $2 raise on the river then? I just don't see how raising and calling a push isn't the correct play. I'm sorry if you think saying "you suck if you don't call" is dumb, but I simply think this scenario is very standard. If you disagree that's fine.
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It's weak tight to fold to the 4-bet. Hero's only mistake, if it can be called that, is reopening the betting on the river holding the ass-end. Folding is a bigger mistake, because most of the time we're ahead here.
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Originally Posted by Warpe
It's weak tight to fold to the 4-bet. Hero's only mistake, if it can be called that, is reopening the betting on the river holding the ass-end. Folding is a bigger mistake, because most of the time we're ahead here.
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This is not the ass-end on a 4-straight board. We have the 2nd nuts here. Checking loses value from, well, pretty much everything except J10. Do you really think checking is the preferred play to betting the river?
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Warpe
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By reopening I meant the 3-bet. I'd just call villain's raise. I'd probably time-out if villain shoved though. JT is such an obvious possibility...
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Pelion
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hmm If he slowplays the straight here I can see him slowplaying flopped sets aswell. I think there is value in the flop 3bet and Im not sure I can fold to the push.
Id say his range is more like TJ, 67, 88, 99.
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by Pelion
hmm If he slowplays the straight here I can see him slowplaying flopped sets aswell. I think there is value in the flop 3bet and Im not sure I can fold to the push.
Id say his range is more like TJ, 67, 88, 99.
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Yeah, I think your range is spot on but I tend to be of the mind that I should play for small pots with meh-ish hands, and 2nd nuts is still meh to me here with such an obvious better one fitting his betting. Regardless, I don't think 3-betting him is a huge mistake if it's even a mistake at all. Hero played fine, imo.
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hmm If he slowplays the straight here I can see him slowplaying flopped sets aswell. I think there is value in the flop 3bet and Im not sure I can fold to the push.
Id say his range is more like TJ, 67, 88, 99.
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Yeah, I think your range is spot on but I tend to be of the mind that I should play for small pots with meh-ish hands, and 2nd nuts is still meh to me here with such an obvious better one fitting his betting. Regardless, I don't think 3-betting him is a huge mistake if it's even a mistake at all. Hero played fine, imo. |
oops I mean river 3bet obv.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
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Jack Sawyer
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I'm only checking this river to raise against a known super aggro. But the pot needs to have been a whole lot bigger.
I also would've semibluffed a lot on this flop. Maybe then you might have sniffed that you were drawing dead?
No matter how you play it, you will lose/gain a lot of money on this hand. Unless you know villain loves to slowplay, in which case you should still call and suffer the cooler.
For the math guys: you are pretty much getting 1:1 on your money, making this a clear call anyway.
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I'm only checking this river to raise against a known super aggro. But the pot needs to have been a whole lot bigger.
I also would've semibluffed a lot on this flop. Maybe then you might have sniffed that you were drawing dead?
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He did.
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You're right.
I meant flop + turn.
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For the math guys: you are pretty much getting 1:1 on your money, making this a clear call anyway.
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Its nowhere near 1:1. We are calling $16 to win $30. Thats almost 2:1
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
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bigspenda73
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If we're up against JT 50% of the time and we split the other 50% does that make this a call yo?
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If we're up against JT 50% of the time and we split the other 50% does that make this a call yo?
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pot odds.
no.
25% equity and we need 35%+(ish)
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
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For the math guys: you are pretty much getting 1:1 on your money, making this a clear call anyway.
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Its nowhere near 1:1. We are calling $16 to win $30. Thats almost 2:1 |
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If we're up against JT 50% of the time and we split the other 50% does that make this a call yo?
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pot odds.
no.
25% equity and we need 35%+(ish) |
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Just call his raise on river.
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