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08-02-2008, 04:25 PM
Post subject: Dwarfman plays top set like a pro
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slooowww play
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a500lbgorilla
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lol, this is why you lead that flop. AK didn't even raise that river. But you can induce much pricier bluffs than 3.5 just by betting.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
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yeah actually this is exactly how a pro would play it so why the hate?
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tons of hands call that flop.
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
tons of hands call that flop.
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disagree however i would still bet. its not a board that is going to get a lot of action w/ top set especially considering he raised utg+1.
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I'd bet flop, bet diamond turn and check non diamond turn. Prolly bet an A.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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kmind
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when 2 fish are in the hand with you bet/bet/bet is usually good so lean towards that
/my lame attempt at burning someone
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
I'd bet flop, bet diamond turn and check non diamond turn. Prolly bet an A.
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I don't get the "prolly". an A is pretty much the best card ever for us.
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Originally Posted by badgers
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
tons of hands call that flop.
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disagree however i would still bet. its not a board that is going to get a lot of action w/ top set especially considering he raised utg+1. |
That.. doesn't even make sense..
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yeah it does, he's betting w/ a strong range into two players and there aren't that many top pair hands left seeing as we has 3 Qs. However I like b/3b on the flop cos we can get it in as a significant favourite vs. draws which makes up for the value of slowplaying but I still wouldn't expect a flop bet to be called very often since our betting range is very strong here.
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Both villains have (very) high postflop aggression factor. The one that isn't spoon is just a bad player altogether. So I figured I could rely on someone other than me to take the lead.
Guess I was wrong.
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zomg make them bruff then and usually bad players call too much
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Bet the $(*&^ turn. Soooo many hands will call there and if people weren't such pussies you might even induce a bluff raise.
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Originally Posted by badgers
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
I'd bet flop, bet diamond turn and check non diamond turn. Prolly bet an A.
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I don't get the "prolly". an A is pretty much the best card ever for us. |
With opponents hands turned face up, I'm just giving what I'd be thinking during the hand at hand. Yah, an ace smashes their range, but 2 barreling can scare away some prissy fellows even if they smash a big pair. I'd still prolly bet unless I feel like more value would get dumped to me by letting them bet or showing them that I'm not scary.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
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Originally Posted by dwarfman
Both villains have (very) high postflop aggression factor. The one that isn't spoon is just a bad player altogether. So I figured I could rely on someone other than me to take the lead.
Guess I was wrong.
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If you bet the flop, what do you think THEY put you on?
If you check raise the flop what do they put you on?
If you check the flop and bet the turn, what is your range in their eyes?
If you check the flop and check raise the turn, what is your range to them?
I'll spot you some quick answers: A lot and can bluff, a little and can't bluff, a lot and can bluff, a little and can't bluff.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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Fnord
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Just raise and bet a lot. Then laugh when they play back. Better yet, act weak, let them stab and raise them. Do this a lot and you'll get paid.
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Eh ok. Fwiw its very rare that I check top set all the way to the river. Muzz just found a rare mistake.
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he's so embarrassed!
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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Fnord
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Here is the pro way to play it:
$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($873.45)
CO ($137.00)
Hero ($106.50)
SB ($558.85)
BB ($200.00)
Pre-flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is BTN  
2 folds, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, BB calls $4
Flop:    ($13, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB raises to $26, Hero calls $18
Turn:  ($65, 2 players)
BB bets $44, Hero goes all-in $74.50, BB calls $30.50
River:  ($214, 2 players)
Final Pot: $214
Hero shows:
BB shows:  
BB wins $212 ( won +$105.50 )
Hero lost -$106.50
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About Fnord's QQQ hand: OOP it'd be just straightforward b/3b, right?
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Originally Posted by Vrax
OOP it'd be just straightforward b/3b, right?
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Only if put him on AA/KK/AQ/set and there is a lot of money behind. Otherwise too much of his range is air and weak hands he's playing very strong. Since I didn't have a chance to reload after calling off too much money in a prior hand, it became a very easy call. The turn card commits so much of his range that it's easy to put the rest in.
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