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Old 10-20-2005, 03:42 AM     Post subject: Dream Flop... #1 (permalink)  
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...but not for me. This was my second hand at the table.

***** Hand History for Game 2902854221 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, October 19, 23:30:06 EDT 2005
Table Table 65826 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: TheBoss44 ( $7.49 )
Seat 2: ItsThePastor ( $21.55 )
Seat 3: bilbochase ( $34.55 )
Seat 4: roadrocket22 ( $14.75 )
Seat 5: sklansky80 ( $28.45 )
Seat 6: DHredraider ( $78.20 )
Seat 8: norm94 ( $27.62 )
Seat 9: xxJTOxx ( $28.40 )
Seat 10: Nookz ( $9.71 )
Seat 7: jandje ( $25.60 )
ItsThePastor posts small blind [$0.10].
bilbochase posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jandje [ As Ks ]
sklansky80 folds.
>You have options at Table 65906 Table!.
DHredraider raises [$1].
jandje calls [$1].
norm94 folds.
xxJTOxx folds.
Nookz folds.
TheBoss44 folds.
>You have options at Table 65906 Table!.
ItsThePastor folds.
bilbochase folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qh, Qd, Ad ]
DHredraider checks.
>You have options at Table 65906 Table!.
jandje bets [$0.50].
>You have options at Table 66269 Table!.
DHredraider calls [$0.50].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3h ]
DHredraider checks.
jandje bets [$3].
DHredraider calls [$3].
** Dealing River ** [ Kc ]
DHredraider checks.
jandje bets [$9].
DHredraider raises [$18].
jandje calls [$9].
DHredraider shows [ Ac, Qs ] a full house, Queens full of aces.
jandje doesn't show [ As, Ks ] two pairs, aces and kings.
DHredraider wins $43.10 from the main pot with a full house, Queens full of aces.
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Old 10-20-2005, 03:46 AM     Post subject: Re: Dream Flop... #2 (permalink)  
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Hands must contain one or more interesting decisions and/or illustrate a tricky concept. Bad beats, royal flushes, big pots, etc. should be posted in the Tales of Poker forum.
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Old 10-20-2005, 03:53 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Never read that before. Thanks.

I was thinking maybe somebody would notice how I played this wrong.
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Old 10-20-2005, 04:03 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 i was going to say, i think it does belong here, if you are looking for advice. Raise preflop. Then, don't pussy bet the flop. It would've been much much easier to figure out he had the queen if you were betting earlier. playing ak weak preflop and on the flop, then jamming after you don't improve on the turn and river, is not the way to go. That king on the river is a little bit of a trap card but you should've bet enough before that to be confident enough to just check behind.
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Old 10-20-2005, 04:22 AM #5 (permalink)  
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The king on the river does not increase the value of your hand at all,
You were either ahead before the river, or you were already behind.
The king does improve any ace that you were already beating, as well as KK.
So, on the river there is no hand raising that you beat, where there are a few that have you behind.
To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
 
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Old 10-20-2005, 04:50 AM #6 (permalink)  
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How does it improve an ace he was beating?

It improves them, but they're second best.
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Old 10-20-2005, 04:53 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Thanks for the feedback. I think I played every street wrong. I actually thought I was trapping on the flop.

I'm not sure about reraising preflop in EP with AK. I raise it when I'm the first to bet, but never reraise.
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Old 10-20-2005, 05:40 AM #8 (permalink)  
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o Clean up hand histories manually, or use a converter
A handy converter you can even bookmark!
Please? I mean, I don't wanna be That Guy, but cmon...

As for the hand, you shouldn't fear the pre-flop reraise here. Possibly just to 2, 3 works as well. You're ahead of most calling hands and if you get re-raised you can lay it down fairly easy. From there he just trapped the crap outta you and you fell right into it...but you knew that already.
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Old 10-20-2005, 05:53 AM #9 (permalink)  
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 oops. i actually totally missed that it was raised before it got to you preflop. so take back that part of what i said, i generally don't reraise with ak, i just raise. but the rest stands. bet the flop, bet the turn, check behind the river. if he gets aggressive at any point, reevaluate.
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Old 10-20-2005, 07:08 AM #10 (permalink)  
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How does it improve an ace he was beating?

It improves them, but they're second best.
I guess I should have been more specific.
It improves an ace, but they were already behind and are still behind.
The only hand that it improves to beat you is KK.
Since no hand that had you beat before the river are you beating after the river, do not think that the K matters at all.
To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
 
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Old 10-20-2005, 01:47 PM #11 (permalink)  
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o Clean up hand histories manually, or use a converter
A handy converter you can even bookmark!
Please? I mean, I don't wanna be That Guy, but cmon...
WTF? Am I missing something or is there a full moon? What part of that hand history do you want cleaned up? It's straight from PP, so what am I converting?
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Old 10-20-2005, 06:39 PM #12 (permalink)  
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who the fuck cares about a hand converter, if you cant read that you are a fucking idiot. the post is fine.
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Old 10-20-2005, 07:47 PM #13 (permalink)  
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Dealt to jandje [ As Ks ]
sklansky80 folds.
>You have options at Table 65906 Table!.
DHredraider raises [$1].
jandje calls [$1].

You reraise AKs, not call
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Old 10-20-2005, 07:58 PM #14 (permalink)  
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who the fuck cares about a hand converter, if you cant read that you are a fucking idiot. the post is fine.
I do, 'cause which would you rather read, the above or the below? Given it's a freakin' copy paste job, I don't think it's too much to ask...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button ($7.49)
SB ($21.55)
BB ($34.55)
UTG ($28.45)
UTG+1 ($78.20)
Hero ($25.60)
MP2 ($27.62)
MP3 ($28.40)
CO ($9.71)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, K. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1, Hero calls $1, 6 folds.

Flop: ($2.35) Q, Q, A (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.5, UTG+1 calls $0.50.

Turn: ($3.35) 3 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $3, UTG+1 calls $3.

River: ($9.35) K (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $9, UTG+1 raises to $18, Hero calls $9.

Final Pot: $45.35
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Old 10-20-2005, 08:33 PM #15 (permalink)  
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who the fuck cares about a hand converter, if you cant read that you are a fucking idiot. the post is fine.
Convert your FUCKING POSTS!!!

IF you can't figure out copy/paste, you are a fucking idiot.
To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
 
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Old 10-20-2005, 08:36 PM #16 (permalink)  
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who the fuck cares about a hand converter, if you cant read that you are a fucking idiot. the post is fine.
I do, 'cause which would you rather read, the above or the below? Given it's a freakin' copy paste job, I don't think it's too much to ask...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button ($7.49)
SB ($21.55)
BB ($34.55)
UTG ($28.45)
UTG+1 ($78.20)
Hero ($25.60)
MP2 ($27.62)
MP3 ($28.40)
CO ($9.71)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, K. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1, Hero calls $1, 6 folds.

Flop: ($2.35) Q, Q, A (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.5, UTG+1 calls $0.50.

Turn: ($3.35) 3 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $3, UTG+1 calls $3.

River: ($9.35) K (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $9, UTG+1 raises to $18, Hero calls $9.

Final Pot: $45.35
I cannot read any of these converted posts from work because images are turned off. For some reason my boss does not appreciate bouncing boobs and squirrels with huge nuts. My wife thinks I'm on some porn message board at home. So, unless Tyson closes my account, I'm not using the converter. If you went to every unconverted post on here, you would be very busy being "that guy". Why you chose to zing me on it, I don't know. Why anyone gets bent over such trivial things, I don't know.
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Old 10-20-2005, 09:49 PM #17 (permalink)  
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who the fuck cares about a hand converter, if you cant read that you are a fucking idiot. the post is fine.
I do, 'cause which would you rather read, the above or the below? Given it's a freakin' copy paste job, I don't think it's too much to ask...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button ($7.49)
SB ($21.55)
BB ($34.55)
UTG ($28.45)
UTG+1 ($78.20)
Hero ($25.60)
MP2 ($27.62)
MP3 ($28.40)
CO ($9.71)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, K. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1, Hero calls $1, 6 folds.

Flop: ($2.35) Q, Q, A (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.5, UTG+1 calls $0.50.

Turn: ($3.35) 3 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $3, UTG+1 calls $3.

River: ($9.35) K (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $9, UTG+1 raises to $18, Hero calls $9.

Final Pot: $45.35
id rather read his. with bets on separate lines it makes it much easier
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Old 10-20-2005, 09:53 PM #18 (permalink)  
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id rather read his. with bets on separate lines it makes it much easier
No accounting for taste, I suppose. My preference is for it all to fit on screen at a reasonable resolution so I don't have to scroll back and forth to see the stacks/action/ect.

As for the pictures, that's a pretty valid reason right there. One can hope we can get to the point where we can either turn avatars & sigs off or people grow up enough to not need to make this into a porn site.
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Old 10-21-2005, 01:51 AM #19 (permalink)  
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I don't mind the hand histories either way.

Espeicially in NL, it's not hard to figure out when there's usually only two or three guys in the pot.

I think that guy's such an ass about it because he came from 2+2. I think he did, at least.
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Old 10-28-2005, 04:16 AM #20 (permalink)  
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Seriously guys. You should be reading unformatted hand histories all day while your are playing. Check to see what the person mucked. I do it almost every showdown even while 8+ tabling. Reading that text is a VERY valuable online poker skill.

Honestly, I can read the unconverted HH MUCH more quickly than the formatted one.
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Old 10-28-2005, 04:45 AM #21 (permalink)  
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 i totally agree that it is a non-problem to post them in the standard format. The problems come when someone posts one of these


>YOU HAVE OPTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
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>>>John has
27#.50
>>>george has
29%.39

George Whole Cards []

Dealing Flop [J@ K% T@]

etc. etc.

most hand histories like partypokers are no problem to read, i don't need to see a picture to understand what a card is.
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Old 10-28-2005, 02:45 PM #22 (permalink)  
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I think sometimes the "you have options" is useful information. It shows you have some distractions in the middle of your hand. As you can see in the hand history above, I had two tables with options. I remember the first table had another delicate decision to be made concurrently.
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