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Old 01-13-2006, 11:28 PM     Post subject: Don't get cute, This is an important lesson #1 (permalink)  
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It has come to my attention that certain hands I lose because of a suck out occur because I did something a bit different than I would normally do. Even if it is just something minor, such not raising enough preflop, or in this case, not reraising the flop, but calling.

FullTiltPoker Game #381581583: Table Apple - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:34:34 ET - 2006/01/13
Seat 1: puppetmaster73 ($24.40)
Seat 2: Shmerz ($9.85)
Seat 3: rdizzle22 ($12.20)
Seat 4: hillgrovebow ($5.50)
Seat 5: medgyess ($27.95)
Seat 6: jhayes15 ($25)
Seat 7: kbmadmoney ($9.75)
Seat 8: fade177 ($25.85)
Seat 9: anthonynmi ($9.40)
rdizzle22 posts the small blind of $0.10
hillgrovebow posts the big blind of $0.25
jhayes15 posts $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fade177 [Td Tc]
medgyess folds
jhayes15 checks
kbmadmoney folds
fade177 raises to $0.75
anthonynmi folds
puppetmaster73 folds
Shmerz folds
rdizzle22 folds
hillgrovebow folds
jhayes15 calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [2h 7s 9h]
jhayes15 bets $1
fade177 calls $1
*** TURN *** [2h 7s 9h] [7h]
jhayes15 bets $0.25
fade177 raises to $4
jhayes15 calls $3.75
*** RIVER *** [2h 7s 9h 7h] [2c]
jhayes15 bets $10
fade177 calls $10
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jhayes15 shows [2d 5d] (a full house, Twos full of Sevens)
fade177 shows [Td Tc] (two pair, Tens and Sevens)
jhayes15 wins the pot ($30.30) with a full house, Twos full of Sevens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $31.85 | Rake $1.55
Board: [2h 7s 9h 7h 2c]
Seat 1: puppetmaster73 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Shmerz (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: rdizzle22 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: hillgrovebow (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: medgyess didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: jhayes15 showed [2d 5d] and won ($30.30) with a full house, Twos full of Sevens
Seat 7: kbmadmoney didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: fade177 showed [Td Tc] and lost with two pair, Tens and Sevens
Seat 9: anthonynmi didn't bet (folded)

It seems that my attempt to draw some more money out of him backfired, and it backfires more often when I make a small mistake. However, if you notice, he did not even think about the flush, or the possible three of kind that could be out there on the turn. He made several mistakes in this hand, but my small one gave him a bit of luck....

The lesson I am trying to show is had I simply reraised the flop to $4, I believe I could have gotten a fold out of him, or at least when the turn hits I can bet strong again. I believe that all players could evaluate certain losing hands and they will notice some small minor difference they made in their play than normal, and you will begin to see how big a difference it makes in your roll...
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Old 01-14-2006, 12:42 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Here's another example, I didn't reraise the turn like I should have. I got comfy in my spot.....

Full Tilt Poker Game #381878582: Table Griffith (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:30:48 ET - 2006/01/13
Seat 1: WHO DEY 1 ($15.70)
Seat 2: alan32 ($48.20)
Seat 3: fade177 ($53.85)
Seat 4: PimpinKyle ($19.50)
Seat 5: Dollarsmith ($53.55)
Seat 6: MikePo1980 ($88)
alan32 posts the small blind of $0.25
fade177 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fade177 [Qh 6s]
PimpinKyle folds
Dollarsmith folds
MikePo1980 folds
WHO DEY 1 calls $0.50
alan32 calls $0.25
fade177 checks
*** FLOP *** [Qd 2d 6h]
alan32 checks
fade177 checks
WHO DEY 1 bets $1.50
alan32 folds
fade177 calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [Qd 2d 6h] [Ah]
fade177 checks
WHO DEY 1 bets $4.50
fade177 calls $4.50
*** RIVER *** [Qd 2d 6h Ah] [Ac]
fade177 bets $9
WHO DEY 1 raises to $9.20, and is all in
fade177 calls $0.20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
WHO DEY 1 shows [Js Qc] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
fade177 mucks
WHO DEY 1 wins the pot ($30.35) with two pair, Aces and Queens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $31.90 | Rake $1.55
Board: [Qd 2d 6h Ah Ac]
Seat 1: WHO DEY 1 (button) showed [Js Qc] and won ($30.35) with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 2: alan32 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: fade177 (big blind) mucked [Qh 6s] - two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 4: PimpinKyle didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Dollarsmith didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: MikePo1980 didn't bet (folded)


And then I was the dumb one tryin to rep an Ace, lol only way i could win the hand........
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Old 01-14-2006, 12:47 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Why on earth would you want to make him fold when hes drawing to 2 outs? Bet as big as he's willing to call but no more (unless he wont call more than his odds of drawing. Then and only then do you make him fold). As it was you needed to bet a fair bit for the possible flush draws but you certainly dont want this guy to fold.

Edit: im talking about hand 1 here.
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