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Donking off 2 buy-ins (400E) in 30 min...Please help

  
 
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dj newman
Old 04-03-2006, 01:14 AM     Post subject: Donking off 2 buy-ins (400E) in 30 min...Please help #1 (permalink)  
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I lost 1 buy in to a donk who couldn't lay down AA to my trips - but hit the runner-runner straight....then these hands come up. I think I played them decent, but look them over and let me know if you see anything.

Hand #1 - I am seen as tight and aggressive at this point. Opponent is a little looser than me, but has not done a lot of splashing. I think I should have potted the turn...and fold to any raise. The blocking bet on the river was not enough either I don't think...invites a raise.

Game # 294919387 - Texas Hold'em No Limit EUR 1,00/2,00 - Table "Braga"
Game ended 2006-04-03 01:18:31 GMT+01:00

Players:
rasmuschau (EUR 270,08 in seat 1)
robban3432 (EUR 178,45 in seat 2)
djnewman (EUR 209,35 in seat 3)
pokemon77 (EUR 949,62 in seat 4)
anden_1 (EUR 98,80 in seat 5)
Daniss (EUR 190,05 in seat 6)
Valter18 (EUR 166,80 in seat 7)
B_Berntsen (EUR 181,30 in seat 8)

Dealer: robban3432
Small Blind: djnewman (1,00)
Big Blind: pokemon77 (2,00)

djnewman was dealt: Ks Kh

anden_1 Fold
Daniss Fold
Valter18 Call (2,00)
B_Berntsen Fold
rasmuschau Fold
robban3432 Call (2,00)
djnewman Raise (8,00) (raised to 9)
pokemon77 Fold
Valter18 Fold
robban3432 Call (7,00)

Flop Jc 7c Js (Pot 22E)

djnewman Bet (14,00)
robban3432 Call (14,00)

Turn Jc 7c Js Td (Pot 50E)

djnewman Bet (34,00)
robban3432 Call (34,00)

River Jc 7c Js Td 2d (Pot 118E)

djnewman Bet (21,00)
robban3432 Raise (90,00)
djnewman ???

Hand #2

Opponent is this one is really aggressive when in a hand....not sure what line is good.

Game # 294926948 - Texas Hold'em No Limit EUR 1,00/2,00 - Table "Braga"
Game ended 2006-04-03 01:32:51 GMT+01:00

Players:
rasmuschau (EUR 297,91 in seat 1)
robban3432 (EUR 149,43 in seat 2)
djnewman (EUR 200,00 in seat 3)
pokemon77 (EUR 953,39 in seat 4)
anden_1 (EUR 87,80 in seat 5)
Valter18 (EUR 188,75 in seat 7)
B_Berntsen (EUR 197,00 in seat 8)

Dealer: robban3432
Small Blind: djnewman (1,00)
Big Blind: pokemon77 (2,00)

djnewman was dealt: Tc Ts

anden_1 Fold
Valter18 Fold
B_Berntsen Call (2,00)
rasmuschau Raise (6,25)
robban3432 Fold
djnewman Call (5,25)
pokemon77 Call (4,25)
B_Berntsen Call (4,25)

Flop 2d 8c 8h (Pot 25E)

djnewman Check
pokemon77 Check
B_Berntsen Check
rasmuschau Bet (10,00)
djnewman Raise (30,00)
pokemon77 Raise (50,00)
B_Berntsen Fold
rasmuschau Fold
djnewman Call (20,00)

Turn 2d 8c 8h 6c (Pot 135E)
djnewman Check
pokemon77 Check

River 2d 8c 8h 6c 2s (Pot 135E)

djnewman Bet (16,00)
pokemon77 Raise (60,00)
djnewman ???

Hand #3

Opponent does raise preflop and in position, but is a little bit of a LAGG and limps sometimes.

Game # 294937198 - Texas Hold'em No Limit EUR 1,00/2,00 - Table "Braga"
Game ended 2006-04-03 01:50:58 GMT+01:00

Players:
rasmuschau (EUR 323,76 in seat 1)
robban3432 (EUR 157,33 in seat 2)
djnewman (EUR 196,00 in seat 3)
pokemon77 (EUR 964,69 in seat 4)
anden_1 (EUR 168,90 in seat 5)
_ZoZo_ (EUR 98,45 in seat 6)
n98micke (EUR 197,00 in seat 7)
B_Berntsen (EUR 200,00 in seat 8)

Dealer: pokemon77
Small Blind: anden_1 (1,00)
Big Blind: _ZoZo_ (2,00)

djnewman was dealt: Qd As
n98micke Fold
B_Berntsen Fold
rasmuschau Fold
robban3432 Call (2,00)
djnewman Raise (8,00)
pokemon77 Fold
anden_1 Fold
_ZoZo_ Fold
robban3432 Call (6,00)

Flop 4d 7d 9s (Pot 19E)

robban3432 Check
djnewman Bet (13,00)
robban3432 Call (13,00)

Turn 4d 7d 9s Ac (Pot 45E)

robban3432 Check
djnewman Bet (30,00)
robban3432 Call (30,00)

River 4d 7d 9s Ac 4h (Pot 105E)

robban3432 Check
djnewman ???? Value bet here, and if so, for how much?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 04-03-2006, 04:13 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 - blocking bet on the river might invite a raise - yet unless the opponent is overly aggro/bluffs hard on the river to scare one off, then it doesn't invite that big of a raise without the Jack.

Hand 2 - the guy has an 8 here

Hand 3 - I don't mind a check-behind here - if he's chasing, he won't call any bet missed anyway...if you're beat he will certainly reraise and you'll most likely have to call as the extra four is not a scare card. He didn't fold the turn when the ace showed up, likely completing any hand you might have continuation bluffed with on the flop...so either he's chased or caught something better than a one pair hand...sucks to lose value in these spots but I hate being reraised on the river in these scenarios, and it's hard to tell where you stand here.
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Old 04-03-2006, 05:31 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Hand #1 - What is a good ratio for a blocking bet...am I betting to little in these spots? Can I be more certain of this hand if I bet the pot on the turn?

Hand #2 - should I even call the reraise on the flop...this is a very scary reraise for me and I don't think I can call anything else the rest of the way anyhow...so folding would be fine here...what can he reraise with here that I beat...not a lot. Should I be C/R in this spot or would a C/C be a better line here.

Hand #3 - screwed me up. I don't value bet enough which is something I have been trying to do more of, although I laugh at this, cause you have to value bet for a reason...not because you think you should do more of it. The call on the turn should have tipped me off, although the 4 pairing made me think I was good. I bet 20 on the river, he raised to 40 showing AK...
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Old 04-03-2006, 05:58 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 3 I check the river [no vlaue bet].

There is something I have learned at that site when raising AX hands.
Unless it's AK [TPTK] I'm not going to be betting REAL hard unless I get two pair by the river. Too many donks on this site call with AX and end up catching two pairs and taking you to the cleaners with it.

You might want to start being more cautious when the boad pairs as in hand 1 and hand 2?
It's not THAT farfetched that Villian has a J in hand 1, and an 8 in hand 2.
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bair
Old 04-03-2006, 03:15 PM #5 (permalink)  
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#1: why on earth would you bet less on the river than you did on the turn
#2: pretty damn obvious you are beat on the flop, easy fold
#3: i definitely check behind
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Old 04-03-2006, 03:59 PM #6 (permalink)  
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What do you recommend for Hand #1?
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Old 04-03-2006, 06:07 PM #7 (permalink)  
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check? i see no need for a blocking bet here. what hands could he have that you possibly beat? a busted flush draw and QQ...and he definitely wouldnt raise QQ here because it has showdown value. your bet is just asking to be raised by everyone and their mother.
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Old 04-03-2006, 06:37 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Is the turn bet enough...of should I be betting more?
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Old 04-03-2006, 06:41 PM #9 (permalink)  
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well i would have played the hand totally different, but i guess on the turn im either checking or potting it, i probably would have bet more on the flop, maybe even a c/r
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Old 04-03-2006, 06:53 PM #10 (permalink)  
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I C-bet quite a bit...wasn't worried about the trips at the moment, and thought I could get my opponent to call with much weaker hands a lot of the time here and I don't mind building a pot. I think he calls the flop bet with 88+ and maybe even AK (and obviously anything with a J in it...there shouldn't be too many hands that he holds a J with here IMO). The turn is maybe where I made the mistake...bet harder I think, I had actually thought checking here too, to disguise my KK, although this would have cost me a lot more if he holds the J. The river bet was obviously begging to be stomped on.
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