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Old 06-16-2006, 12:51 AM     Post subject: Donk minbets FTW #1 (permalink)  
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Button ($26.50)
SB ($13.85)
BB ($25)
UTG ($13.15)
UTG+1 ($3.70)
MP1 ($21.55)
MP2 ($28.75)
givememyleg ($31.20)
CO ($48.65)

Preflop: givememyleg is MP3 with Q, A.
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.25, givememyleg raises to $1.5, 4 folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $3.7, MP2 calls $3.45, givememyleg calls $2.20.

Flop: ($11.70) K, 6, 4 (3 players)
MP2 bets $1, givememyleg .......

Should I even call the allin? Stupid shortstacks... MP2 is donkish, something like 84/0 over 33 hands. What does this $1 bet mean... folding would look uber-weak-tight-tastic, but wtf? How dare he call such a bet OOP anyway.


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UTG+1 ($20.70)
MP1 ($28.75)
MP2 ($6)
CO ($25)
Button ($8.90)
SB ($35.75)
BB ($24.65)
givememyleg ($24.55)

Preflop: givememyleg is UTG with A, K. CO posts a blind of $0.25.
givememyleg raises to $1, 4 folds, Button calls $1, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold.

Flop: ($3.50) 9, 6, 3 (3 players)
SB bets $1, givememyleg raises to $3.50, Button folds, SB calls $2.50.

Turn: ($10.50) J (2 players)
SB bets $1, givememyleg ......

73/28 over 80 hands.... this guy was a mega donk, and liked to spew as you can tell by 73% vpip. Should I have even raised the flop against someone like this?

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Old 06-16-2006, 01:04 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: UTG+1 prob has pp in the range of 66-TT trying to gamble it up pf, so u have to call, he isn't limping AA, KK, QQ, or AK after UTG limps, unless my read is wayyy off. MP2's bet can mean any number of things, but my guess is that MP2's flop bet means pp between 77-TT probing u to see if u have the K or a pp worth raising. If u call, im guessing he would slam the turn thinking he's ahead. This is a play that i have seen before. So i would call and hope for a or q, considering ur getting odds to chase them.

Hand 2: Against a donk and apparent calling station, i wouldn't bother trying to rep overpair cause he's prob still calling u down anyway. Again, i think the min bets represent weakness rather than str, so i would just call on flop and expect him to fire again on turn, and only call if ur getting odds to chase overcards.

Sometimes i forget this too, but just because you raised pf with a good starting hand does not in any way guarantee that you will or have to win the pot.
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Hand 1: It's a protected pot, just call.
Hand 2: I call this too. He must be suffering from some sort of technical failure where his check and fold buttons don't work.
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Old 06-16-2006, 01:06 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 2: I call this too. He must be suffering from some sort of technical failure where his check and fold buttons don't work.
And if the river brings X, and he bets $1 again do I take the 12:1 shot that he has air?

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Hand 2: I call this too. He must be suffering from some sort of technical failure where his check and fold buttons don't work.
And if the river brings X, and he bets $1 again do I take the 12:1 shot that he has air?
Your hand beats air, call.

Worst case you pay a buck to re-enforce his value-min-betting pattern.
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Old 06-16-2006, 09:02 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I'd reraise MP2 off his mediocre hand (limp, called twice) and gamb00l with shortie for mp2's dead money.
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Old 06-16-2006, 09:10 PM     Post subject: Re: Donk minbets FTW #7 (permalink)  
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73/28 over 80 hands.... this guy was a mega donk, and liked to spew as you can tell by 73% vpip. Should I have even raised the flop against someone like this?
I think you better wait to make you hand, then overplay it. Ie, call the flop.
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