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04-25-2006, 07:17 PM Post subject: donk call and standard laydown?..

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Full Tilt Poker Game #592772333: Table Desert Marigold - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:05:22 ET - 2006/04/25
Seat 1: mikesallin2 ($0), is sitting out
Seat 2: xX zorrito Xx ($9.90)
Seat 3: KrillinKGB ($14.05)
Seat 4: Emini ($14)
Seat 5: Vicius8 ($5.70)
Seat 6: mintgreen ($5.75)
Seat 7: NateSD222 ($4.30)
Seat 8: E25D ($1.70)
Seat 9: hanoverfoote ($8.70)
xX zorrito Xx posts the small blind of $0.05
mikesallin2: redic
KrillinKGB posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to xX zorrito Xx [Ad Td]
mikesallin2 stands up
Emini raises to $0.40
Vicius8 folds
mintgreen folds
NateSD222 folds
E25D folds
hanoverfoote folds
xX zorrito Xx calls $0.35
KrillinKGB folds
*** FLOP *** [Ah 7s 4d]
xX zorrito Xx bets $0.40
hanoverfoote: i thought the same thing
Emini raises to $0.80
xX zorrito Xx calls $0.40
*** TURN *** [Ah 7s 4d] [2h]
xX zorrito Xx checks
Emini bets $2.50
xX zorrito Xx folds
Uncalled bet of $2.50 returned to Emini
Vicius8: lol
Emini mucks
Emini wins the pot ($2.25)
xX zorrito Xx: A K?
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.50 | Rake $0.25
Board: [Ah 7s 4d 2h]
Seat 1: mikesallin2 (button) is sitting out
Seat 2: xX zorrito Xx (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 3: KrillinKGB (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Emini collected ($2.25), mucked
Seat 5: Vicius8 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: mintgreen didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: NateSD222 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: E25D didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: hanoverfoote didn't bet (folded)

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dalecooper

04-25-2006, 07:24 PM

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Pretty standard post-flop, except I'm not crazy about your flop play. Your weakish lead-out bet practically screams "I have an ace I'm not comfortable with... give me a reason to fold." As soon as he min-raised you, it locked both of you into a "this-hand-plays-itself" pattern where he was destined to win just by being the pre-flop raiser and having position on you. Out of all the actions you could take there, I prefer check-calling, check-raising, check-folding, and leading out strong (for say .80) to the action you took. It seems to me like the least preferable action against a mediocre or better opponent.

I also don't like the pre-flop call. You'll be out of position against a guy who raised in early position, and you'll have an easily dominated hand the rest of the way. You'd be better off calling that raise with AK, any small or medium pocket pair, or low to middle suited connectors. ATs in the small blind, for a raise, is always going to be really problematic, and probably cost you money.

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04-25-2006, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dalecooper

Your weakish lead-out bet practically screams "I have an ace I'm not comfortable with... give me a reason to fold."

half the pot is too little?...

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04-25-2006, 07:47 PM

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The pot's 5 cents short of a buck, so your bet is actually between 1/2 the pot and 1/3 of the pot... and you're playing very low stakes. While I have very limited .05/.10 experience, the reputation of those games is that only sizeable bets get respect. If you're going to lead with your pair of aces I'd prefer you go for at least 3/4 of the pot, and if he raises you there you can be comfortable that he has you beat. Someone min-raising a .40 bet could have you beat, or could be testing the waters. TT-KK wouldn't surprise me.

By the way, to touch on the pre-flop again for a minute: think about all the hands that a guy in early position is most likely to raise 4xBB with. TT-AA, AK, AQ, AJ, maybe KQ. Now note that almost all of those hands have you dominated. That's what I'd call a really problematic situation post-flop. Hitting either your ace or your ten can't make you especially comfortable. Only diamonds are going to satisfy.

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04-25-2006, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dalecooper

By the way, to touch on the pre-flop again for a minute: think about all the hands that a guy in early position is most likely to raise 4xBB with. TT-AA, AK, AQ, AJ, maybe KQ. Now note that almost all of those hands have you dominated. That's what I'd call a really problematic situation post-flop. Hitting either your ace or your ten can't make you especially comfortable. Only diamonds are going to satisfy.

yeah it was a pretty donky call... haha... at least i made the right laydown...

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04-25-2006, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dalecooper

Pretty standard post-flop, except I'm not crazy about your flop play. Your weakish lead-out bet practically screams "I have an ace I'm not comfortable with... give me a reason to fold."

If the bet weak? Somewhat, but its not that weak, its right around half the pot.

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As soon as he min-raised you, it locked both of you into a "this-hand-plays-itself" pattern where he was destined to win just by being the pre-flop raiser and having position on you. Out of all the actions you could take there, I prefer check-calling, check-raising, check-folding, and leading out strong (for say .80) to the action you took. It seems to me like the least preferable action against a mediocre or better opponent.

With AT I really dont like leading out for almost the pot here, its a very weak hand and there is no reason to commit yourself so much to this pot. OOP I dont think Im leading this flop and unless I know the villain cbets a lot, I am going to check/fold most of the time.

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I also don't like the pre-flop call. You'll be out of position against a guy who raised in early position, and you'll have an easily dominated hand the rest of the way. You'd be better off calling that raise with AK, any small or medium pocket pair, or low to middle suited connectors. ATs in the small blind, for a raise, is always going to be really problematic, and probably cost you money.

I agree with this point here, the biggest problem was calling the preflop raise, if you hadnt then you wouldnt ahve gotten in this mess to begin with.

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