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stubbsy2005

11-26-2005, 05:07 PM Post subject: Does this sort of crap trouble you and how do you deal with

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Join Date: Nov 2005

Location: windoor Melbourne

Posts: 12

Firstly new to the board so thanks to everyone from fnord to rilla in regards to advice you have helped me with my play Immensely. you have opened up theories that in the last month have equated to $500+ profit but much more in regards to experience so thank you.
First question, will ask many more

How would people handle this sitruation.

Do you think you would win?

What would you do different?
Seat 1: uncfredd ( $15.95 )
Seat 3: MTBucket ( $23.90 )
Seat 4: quietbullet ( $34.60 )
Seat 6: ronointn ( $32.40 )
Seat 7: wowowee333 ( $14.35 )
Seat 9: gurower1 ( $28.48 )
Seat 10: amaginni ( $21.30 )
Seat 8: stubbsy2005 ( $24.25 )
Seat 5: crazyara ( $22.40 )
Seat 2: wmurphy111 ( $25 )
MTBucket posts small blind [$0.10].
quietbullet posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to stubbsy2005 [ Qd Ac ]
crazyara calls [$0.25].
ronointn folds.
wowowee333 calls [$0.25].
stubbsy2005 raises [$1].
gurower1 calls [$1].
amaginni calls [$1].
uncfredd folds.
MTBucket folds.
quietbullet folds.
crazyara calls [$0.75].
wowowee333 calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, 4s, Qs ]
crazyara checks.
wowowee333 bets [$1].
stubbsy2005 calls [$1].
>You have options at Table 37430 Table!.
gurower1 folds.
amaginni raises [$4].
crazyara calls [$4].
wowowee333 calls [$3].
stubbsy2005 calls [$3].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7s ]
crazyara checks.
wowowee333 checks.
stubbsy2005 bets [$2].
amaginni calls [$2].
crazyara calls [$2].
wowowee333 calls [$2].
** Dealing River ** [ 8c ]
>You have options at Table 37430 Table!.
crazyara is all-In.
wowowee333 is all-In.
stubbsy2005 calls [$15.40].
>You have options at Table 37430 Table!.
amaginni: damn set of 4's
amaginni folds.
>You have options at Table 37430 Table!.
crazyara shows [ Th, 9s ] a straight, eight to queen.
wowowee333 shows [ 9c, Tc ] a straight, eight to queen.
stubbsy2005 shows [ Qd, Ac ] a pair of queens.
crazyara wins $15.65 from side pot #1 with a straight, eight to queen.
wowowee333 wins $24.42 from the main pot with a straight, eight to queen.
crazyara wins $24.43 from the main pot with a straight, eight to queen.
Thanks for yolur help, better questions and molre accurate and detailed questions to folow

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finky

11-26-2005, 05:17 PM

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Flush

Join Date: Oct 2005

Location: London

Posts: 270

1)Raise pre-flop more if a $1 raise gets 4 callers

2)Raise the flop at least 2/3 - 3/4 of the pot, chase the draws out and try and find if you have the best hand. You hit the hand you were looking for and you don't raise, why?

3)Fold if someone really plays back at you, there's too many people in this pot for TPTK to hold up for long.

I think I would win with that hand on the flop but if someone tells me otherwise i'm inclined to listen.

ThelVlaster

11-26-2005, 05:23 PM

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Straight

Join Date: Oct 2005

Posts: 222

Next time don't post the results, it influences how people reply.

You have a lot of callers preflop. I don't know what a standard raise for the table is and how many people are usually in a pot after that standard raise. Is it normal for 4 callers to a $1 raise? If not, you have to think there are some pocket pairs out there.

Don't call that flop, raise it and see where you stand. If someone really bets hard, you have to think they have you beat. You also want to get those drawers out of there. They can have an OESD, a flush draw, or both.

With 5 people in this hand its going to be hard to give those drawers bad pot odds. Turns out you were beat the whole time. Have to be willing to let this hand down.

TalentedTom

11-26-2005, 10:53 PM

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Flush

Join Date: Jun 2005

Location: Toronto

Posts: 289

bet about $7-8 on the flop, that is a great flop for your hand, your only real concern is 2 pair (JQ) If someone wants to chase straight or flush, by all means let them, but it will cost them their stack.

Tom.S

ville18

11-27-2005, 02:07 PM

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Straight

Join Date: Jan 2005

Location: Yo mama

Posts: 223

Very weak play by you. You've gotta get more aggressive with hands like this

SteveO

11-28-2005, 12:44 PM

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Full House

Join Date: Apr 2004

Posts: 755

Preflop was fine, AQ is not a huge hand preflop in a multi pot. However, if everyone is calling $1 raise preflop make it $2 or more to thin things out. It will also disguise when you raise with the big pairs.

Flop was awful. Look at the flop. It is very well coordinated with 2 spades and two connected cards "JQ". In addition, at least 2 players said they were serious about the flop. I would bet pot or 3/4 pot as an opener and see where things go. If you get a min re-raise by a single opponent, maybe he is on the draw and you can push early, or maybe you can release TPTK.

Turn was a nightmare since in completed the flush draw. All of a sudden the action slows down which smells like someone milking a made flush. I dump TPTK right there against multiple opponents unless you have a chance at the nuts and can see a cheap river eg. the board was 4 flush and you had As. But it wasn't so easy fold on turn.

River. Your last chance to really get away from the hand and your opponents help you out. 2 guys in front of you move AI. At least one and probably both have TPTK smoked. No need to make that call even if you were committed 3/4 of your stack.

Send lawyers, guns and money - the sh*t has hit the fan!

Fnord

11-28-2005, 01:23 PM

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Fnord is an unknown quantity at this point

The opener is fine. Certainly interesting to see how many callers you're getting and perhaps some adjusting is needed. However, I don't have any problem playing multi-pots. There is more to NLHE than isolating and c-betting.

The turn bet is really retarded and the river call is setting fire to your bankroll.

I don't like raising the flop because with pot vs effective stack size it's really hard to protect much of anything or figure out exactly what is playing back at you (made hand vs draw.) You can't put in a reasonable enough of a bet to protect while only reasonably getting called by worse hands. If they truely suck, then pushing might not be terrible.

I would just call this flop and check behind on the turn. The joy of these players is that their under-bets make this line really easy. Pony up the $4 and if the turn is a 2

drop the fucking hammer and cackle with glee as the fish have to think for several seconds realizing that their monster draw just TURNed into dogshit.

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