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Old 06-19-2005, 07:16 AM     Post subject: Does anyone consider making this lay down? #1 (permalink)  
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I'm kind of in shock right now. I just had two hands in a row where I flopped a flush while someone else flopped a higher flush. Anyways, I didn't see how I would possibly lay down a flush with open-ended straight flush draw on the flop even if I thought there was a chance I was beaten. Ideas?

PokerStars Game #1929480943: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/06/19 - 03:04:11 (ET)
Table 'Juewa' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: evanave ($137.40 in chips)
Seat 2: Romanichine ($111.90 in chips)
Seat 3: dsaxton ($88.90 in chips)
Seat 4: Gman1014 ($111.70 in chips)
Seat 5: RomeRose ($72 in chips)
Seat 6: halo599 ($44.05 in chips)
Seat 7: oconee laker ($118.85 in chips)
Seat 8: 155 Lincoln ($328.95 in chips)
Seat 9: Loyoyo ($113.70 in chips)
oconee laker: posts small blind $0.50
155 Lincoln: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dsaxton [6s 5s]
Loyoyo: calls $1
evanave: folds
Romanichine: calls $1
dsaxton: calls $1
Gman1014: calls $1
RomeRose: calls $1
halo599: folds
oconee laker: calls $0.50
155 Lincoln: checks
*** FLOP *** [7s 2s 8s]
oconee laker: checks
155 Lincoln: checks
Loyoyo: checks
Romanichine: bets $6
dsaxton: raises $7 to $13
Gman1014: folds
RomeRose: folds
oconee laker: folds
155 Lincoln: folds
Loyoyo: folds
Romanichine: raises $97.90 to $110.90 and is all-in
dsaxton: calls $74.90 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [7s 2s 8s] [Qh]
*** RIVER *** [7s 2s 8s Qh] [Ac]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Romanichine: shows [Js Ks] (a flush, King high)
dsaxton: mucks hand
Romanichine collected $179.80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $182.80 | Rake $3
Board [7s 2s 8s Qh Ac]
Seat 1: evanave folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Romanichine showed [Js Ks] and won ($179.80) with a flush, King high
Seat 3: dsaxton mucked [6s 5s]
Seat 4: Gman1014 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: RomeRose folded on the Flop
Seat 6: halo599 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: oconee laker (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: 155 Lincoln (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Loyoyo folded on the Flop
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Old 06-19-2005, 07:28 AM #2 (permalink)  
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your open-ended straight flush draw is pretty meaningless - its a 2-outer the same chance a pocket pair has of catching a set each card. This really depends on the player, but against the more tight conservative opponent I fold. Its not that unusual to flop a lower flush to a higher one, has happened to me three times now.
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Old 06-19-2005, 09:10 AM #3 (permalink)  
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raises that big tell you that you can let go of your baby flush. sets dont push on a 3-flush board.
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Old 06-19-2005, 11:22 AM #4 (permalink)  
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This is one of those times where you just need to know your op. Will he push with just the ace here?

The answer tells you your action.

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Old 06-19-2005, 05:45 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I call here. Can't lay this down. I disagree with one of the above posts, that a set will not go all in here. That's EXACTLY what a set would do, and what I would do with a set every time.

And I know that you realistically only had two outs against the hand that you did run up against, but at least you weren't drawing dead, right? I think you can call that. Most people don't push all in with the flopped nut flush on the flop; badly played by him.

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Old 06-19-2005, 06:11 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I figured him for a scared set, but after thinking about the hand a little bit afterwards, I don't think calling was the right decision. A large percentage of the time I'm going to be drawing dead to a straight flush, and the rest of the time my hand is vulnerable to a board pair, so I'd probably have a losing hand on the river more often than not. I think the safe and statistically sound play is probably to fold.
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Old 06-19-2005, 09:10 PM #7 (permalink)  
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you got broke in a nothing pot, 7 handed i might add. I've learned to lay hands down much easier in these kinds of pots, unless it is the nuts or I'm the favorite.
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you got broke in a nothing pot, 7 handed i might add. I've learned to lay hands down much easier in these kinds of pots, unless it is the nuts or I'm the favorite.
Um, if I went broke, how could it have possibly been a nothing pot?

And evidently I thought I was the favorite.
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Old 06-20-2005, 06:18 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Eh, that's a toughie.

I dont think a set risks his whole stack when there's the possibility of the flush- especially after you've reraised him. If he had the set, he'd have called the reraise in fear of your flush. AI after his initial bet probably means he's hit.

My 2 cents.
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Old 06-20-2005, 08:06 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Had almost the exact same hand against a donkey with K7s.
I pushed and he cleaned me out. The only thing I didn different
was that I waited for turn and river to allow for him holding
a big suit. I still went all in (he was a MAJOR donk and would
call anything).

I bet him on the flop and turn and he smooth called me both
times. I should've value bet on the river but I was tilting from an
earlier hand. Could've saved myself $40.
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