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Old 09-29-2006, 02:16 AM     Post subject: Do you like this JJ line for pot control? #1 (permalink)  

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Villain is 17/7 over 70 or so hands...

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Old 09-29-2006, 02:24 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I do. I don't think you beat much that would call a river bet.
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Old 09-29-2006, 02:39 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 I don't like the flop.

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I don't like the flop.
The only real hand I'm afraid of is QQ, but I'm really not that afraid of QQ since I believe QQ-AA would re-raise pre-flop.

I tend not to let hands that I believe are weaker than me dictate the pace of play on the flop. Do you believe this is a leak or how would you play it?
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 I just think if you're gonna 3bet, don't price him in, make it 50-60 to go. A min raise on this draw heavy flop after a c/r is very very bad.

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I just think if you're gonna 3bet, don't price him in, make it 50-60 to go. A min raise on this draw heavy flop after a c/r is very very bad.
i dunno...how often do people c/r draws like this? also, raising to ~60 commits you. this is fine if you want to get AI with this hand though.

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The only real hand I'm afraid of is QQ, but I'm really not that afraid of QQ since I believe QQ-AA would re-raise pre-flop.
lol so which is it?
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i dunno...how often do people c/r draws like this? also, raising to ~60 commits you. this is fine if you want to get AI with this hand though.
I think c/r a draw is quite common actually and that is how most people play them, esspecially strong draws. I take that line sometimes. I don't really like a 3bet here either, but what I meant mainly was if you're going to 3bet, he really shouldn't have minraised... it tells you nothing and you just put more chips into the pot with less info. No hand that c/r this flop is going to fold. Ever.

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i dunno...how often do people c/r draws like this? also, raising to ~60 commits you. this is fine if you want to get AI with this hand though.
I think c/r a draw is quite common actually and that is how most people play them, esspecially strong draws. I take that line sometimes. I don't really like a 3bet here either, but what I meant mainly was if you're going to 3bet, he really shouldn't have minraised... it tells you nothing and you just put more chips into the pot with less info. No hand that c/r this flop is going to fold. Ever.
so c/r draws is common huh? well that's new to me. guess i'll keep a lookout for it.
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i knew that re-raising on the flop in position was standard to buy a free card, but I don't see the point of c/r the flop OOP with a draw. What does it get for you other than to disguise your hand and to build a pot that many times you won't win?

OPP showed KK, so I was happy with the hand, but wasn't sure if I played it ok.
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