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Old 03-14-2006, 02:22 PM     Post subject: Do you fold QQ here? #1 (permalink)  
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$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, March 14, 10:12:21 ET 2006
Table Get Hooked (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 5: Hprelude55 ( $41.72 )
Seat 6: twoplus2 ( $62.72 )
Seat 7: W_Punter ( $59.80 )
Seat 9: ODBaffles ( $115.26 )
Seat 10: sugardaddy88 ( $16.47 )
Seat 8: Stripclbjnk ( $50 )
Seat 3: keysersoze75 ( $50 )
Seat 4: Q_Licious ( $48.75 )
Seat 1: hartattack16 ( $30 )
Seat 2: bear111 ( $19.50 )
Hprelude55 posts small blind [$0.25].
twoplus2 posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Stripclbjnk [ Qc Qh ]
W_Punter calls [$0.50].
Hprelude55: you have anything?
Hprelude55: A?
Stripclbjnk raises [$3].
ODBaffles folds.
sugardaddy88 folds.
bear111 folds.
keysersoze75 folds.
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Q_Licious raises [$7.50].
Hprelude55 folds.
twoplus2 folds.
W_Punter folds.
Stripclbjnk is all-In [$47]
Q_Licious is all-In [$41.25]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, 4h, 2d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6h ]

I had no read on him. Do you ever lay this down?
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Old 03-14-2006, 02:25 PM     Post subject: Re: Do you fold QQ here? #2 (permalink)  
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I had no read on him. Do you ever lay this down?
I would see a flop and probably dump it there. Sometimes I feel obligated to throw some money in the pot before accepting that he's probably wired up bigger.
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Old 03-14-2006, 02:26 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I never lay this down to the reraise. I also never push after being reraised in cash game with QQ. I call and see where I'm at after the flop. I think you lose your stack a lot to AA-KK on that flop. Without any read I might just drop it if the villain remains confident postflop. This is just one of the biggest trap situations I can imagine.
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Old 03-15-2006, 12:03 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I know i made a bad push... Can't wait till my QQ are beat again, so that i can do it better than this(not bitching)
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Old 03-15-2006, 12:26 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Without a read, I'd flop it as suggested.

I don't think a push is right there vs most any opponent.

I happen to have notes on that guy, and you could be good sometimes here, but it's doubtful. I bet he instacalled with AA.
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He instacalled with KK...
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Old 03-15-2006, 02:13 PM #7 (permalink)  
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He instacalled with KK...
QQ is a cold calling hand. Also you could have gotten in less deep if you'd have raised less to begin with. Is 3.00 the standard raise here? On party I find 2.00 does the trick, and then I add .50 for any limper past the first one.

EDIT: oh yeah "Get Hooked" is a party table. I was just playing at it yesterday.
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Old 03-15-2006, 04:56 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 The call line against this isnt my favourite. As rondavu points out you go bust on the flop and i dont like that.
My concern here is not going bust with qq preflop OR postflop without a reason and facing a preflop reraise and then a low flop isnt a good enough for reason for me. Im not going to say that bad players do that but i will argue that its bad enough play to be avoidable.
Id 3 bet this preflop, for about a third of my stack. If opp still wants to play for stacks then, then this is an easy fold, unless opp really sucks balls. If opp calls THEN i think im happy to go bust as opp has played his hand well enough to merit it.
Im just not happy about calling teh reraise and then going bust on a low flop. It seems too easy to me without information.
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