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GatorJH
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05-10-2006, 02:52 AM
Post subject: do you call this re-raise?
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Villian made a similar move (not all-in though) earlier in the session. Do you call here knowing that you are at best 50/50?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
GatorJH ($40.80)
UTG ($13.15)
UTG+1 ($25.70)
MP1 ($45.50)
MP2 ($58.30)
MP3 ($93.80)
CO ($20)
Button ($31.10)
SB ($11.55)
Preflop: GatorJH is BB with K , A . CO posts a blind of $0.50.
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, MP3 calls $0.50, CO (poster) checks, Button calls $0.50, SB completes, GatorJH raises to $2.5, MP2 raises to $50, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, GatorJH ?????
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Lukie
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fold
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Lukie
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also, you're not even close to 50/50 against his range.
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ihategnomes
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Nope, I fold almost all day long.
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Jimmy Mac
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Without a read, I need kings to call here.
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Fnord
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I make it $5 pre-flop. My 10x from the blind special might be a leak, I'm not sure yet.
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GatorJH
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Originally Posted by Lukie
also, you're not even close to 50/50 against his range.
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What range is that? He limped from MP. Do you think he would limp from MP with AA or KK?
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GatorJH
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Originally Posted by Fnord
I make it $5 pre-flop. My 10x from the blind special might be a leak, I'm not sure yet.
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Would you fold this if he pushed after your 10x BB raise? What hands would you put him on knowing he pulled virtually the EXACT same move (he limped, I was the last caller but raised instead, he followed with a huge re-raise) earlier in the session?
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GatorJH
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The question I am trying to get answered is this - When someone makes this move is it typically a "move" or a donk who was slow playing a monster hand?
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Jimmy Mac
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In general, when someone pulls this move with a full buyin, i find it's AA or KK alot. Random shortstacks may have a much wider range here.
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dalecooper
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Without seeing one of these go to showdown, it's very hard to tell. A lot of idiots will do this with literally any pocket pair. I had a guy do this to me at 25 NL and full stacks with pocket twos. However, a lot of other idiots habitually limp AA/KK and hope someone else raises so they can jam all in. Without knowing which kind of idiot he is, this is probably a fold. It's worth noting that you're almost certainly against SOME pair, which means there's no chance you're a favorite.
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Renton
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I see people limp in mid/late position with AA at200nl where I play all the time. Its the dumbest fucking play ever, but people do it a lot.
If he were a shortstack, AND there was dead money (both of which conditions aren't fulfilled), I could maybe see making this call with AK, but even then its close. This play is almost always AA.
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benny999
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I had basically the same thing happen yesterday, except it was about a 30BB stack pushing in LP into 3-4 limpers. It was the 5th hand I'd seen of the table, and he had open pushed the previous hand, and turned on the "bet pot" button the other 3 pre flop.
I was in the BB with AKo and called thinking I was about even or way ahead of him. What do you think of calling like that vs. a shorter stack and a few limpers?
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dalecooper
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I'd call in that situation.
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samsonite2100
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I make it $5 pre-flop. My 10x from the blind special might be a leak, I'm not sure yet.
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I bet pot, making it $4 PF. I agree it might be a leak betting like this from the blinds, but betting $2.50 with four or five limpers who have position on you is begging for a bunch of calls.
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The question I am trying to get answered is this - When someone makes this move is it typically a "move" or a donk who was slow playing a monster hand?
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It's usually AA or KK, I've found. But as has been pointed out, even if it's a "move," it's still likely a PP, which you're a bit behind anyway. I fold here every time, all day.
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givememyleg
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WHO YA GONNA CALL?!??
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That's such a stupid play by villian. Unless I had a real good read that he would do this with garbage I am folding... Even then I still might fold.
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