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06-06-2005, 03:30 AM Post subject: Didnt see that coming

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Haha, limp with AA then dont reraise when you get raised? This is a very unique way to play, hes gonna get screwwed out of it so much though.

fri20 is at seat 0 with $29.50.
K-Dog007 is at seat 1 with $24.55.
Medic0394 is at seat 2 with $46.70.
Billehthekid is at seat 3 with $43.
IrishCass is at seat 4 with $41.70.
pgh28 is at seat 5 with $21.60.
DrGr8 is at seat 6 with $27.95.
toml_8 is at seat 7 with $55.70.
BGnight is at seat 8 with $106.45.
mrweed13 is at seat 9 with $14.90.
The button is at seat 7.

BGnight posts the small blind of $.25.
mrweed13 posts the big blind of $.50.

fri20: -- --
K-Dog007: -- --
Medic0394: -- --
Billehthekid: -- --
IrishCass: -- --
pgh28: -- --
DrGr8: -- --
toml_8: Kc Kd
BGnight: -- --
mrweed13: -- --

Pre-flop:

fri20 folds. K-Dog007 calls. Medic0394 folds.
Billehthekid folds. IrishCass calls. pgh28 folds.
DrGr8 folds. toml_8 raises to $2.50. BGnight folds.
mrweed13 calls. K-Dog007 calls. IrishCass calls.

Flop (board: 6h Qc 9h):

mrweed13 checks. K-Dog007 checks. IrishCass checks.
toml_8 bets $8. mrweed13 goes all-in for $12.40.
K-Dog007 folds. IrishCass folds. toml_8 calls.

Turn (board: 6h Qc 9h Tc):

(no action in this round)

River (board: 6h Qc 9h Tc 7h):

(no action in this round)

Showdown:

mrweed13 shows Ah As.
mrweed13 has Ah As Qc 9h Tc: a pair of aces.
toml_8 mucks cards.
(toml_8 has Kc Kd.)

Hand #6223493-7412 Summary:

$1.75 is raked from a pot of $35.05.
mrweed13 wins $33.30 with a pair of aces.
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moiraine57

06-06-2005, 03:42 AM

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Actually that is a great hand to post. Gives you a lot to think about. I definitely wouldn't see it coming either. But to repeat, great great hand for analysis and thought.

You started off by saying that playing it that way would lose him money in the long run. Maybe not, though. I guess this is one of those situations in which the other player was not thinking, or they were light years ahead.

If he limps, but this is an aggressive room, and he knows he will get substantially re-raised to make it heads-up or near heads-up, I don't think that's an awful move to call, then wait for the player who raised to make a continuation bet on the flop. Then bring the hammer down.

I think the other player makes his EV skyrocket while at the same time introducing a lot more variance. Of course, it would be something you would have to do at the right table.

At the very least, to play As like this is a great way to throw other players off so they don't get a good sense of you as a player.

bdawg56kg

06-06-2005, 05:55 AM

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Hey man I don't mean to hijack your thread, but this kind of thing has been happening to me recently and is very irritating. I know that letting people see the flop for cheap with big pairs is asking for trouble, but it seems I always fall for it. Heres one from today. In hindsight I should've reraised preflop w/ JJ, but I figured since I was out of position I'd just call and see a flop. To me any checkraise would basically committ villian so I decided to just put him all in. Is this just one of those things that you just have to accept? Without a read (which I didn't have) is there anyway to suspect you're behind here?

PokerStars Game #1842546788: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/06/06 - 01:04:51 (ET)
Table 'Sextans' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: PiratePoo ($44 in chips)
Seat 4: bdawg56kg ($50 in chips)
Seat 5: SenecaDealer ($91.15 in chips)
Seat 6: webmonarch ($100.55 in chips)
Seat 7: duger505 ($49.55 in chips)
Seat 8: beach44 ($33.45 in chips)
Seat 9: chuottwo ($15.40 in chips)
PiratePoo: posts small blind $0.25
bdawg56kg: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
junior976 removed from table for failing to post
SenecaDealer: folds
webmonarch: folds
duger505: folds
beach44: folds
chuottwo: raises $0.50 to $1
PiratePoo: folds
pspahn joins the table at seat #1
bdawg56kg: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [8h 5c 2h]
bdawg56kg: checks
chuottwo: bets $4
bdawg56kg: raises $16 to $20
chuottwo: calls $10.40 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [8h 5c 2h] [As]
*** RIVER *** [8h 5c 2h As] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bdawg56kg: shows [Jc Jh] (a pair of Jacks)
chuottwo: shows [Ah Ac] (three of a kind, Aces)
chuottwo collected $29.55 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $31.05 | Rake $1.50
Board [8h 5c 2h As Qd]
Seat 2: PiratePoo (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: bdawg56kg (big blind) showed [Jc Jh] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 5: SenecaDealer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: webmonarch folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: duger505 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: beach44 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: chuottwo (button) showed [Ah Ac] and won ($29.55) with three of a kind, Aces

Estrop

06-06-2005, 08:39 AM

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I don't think slow playing AA is so bad, if you are sure they only have a lower pair. The problem with low playing AA, is that people cannot let it go, so when they see a 9cTcJc board and someone pushes, they call. No good.

Element187

06-06-2005, 02:00 PM

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i'll slow play aces or kings in EP hoping for a raise on an aggressive table so i can drop the hammer... but at passive tables, you need to raise to limit the field.

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06-06-2005, 08:18 PM

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I would agree that you shouldnt always raise and reraise with your AA, but I think the hand I psoted was a situation where a reraise would have been a better play. I will face the fact that hes probably getting a large portion of MY stack here no matter what. But when he judt calls he invites anyone with low pockets or a drawing hand to call also and see a relatively cheap flop.

If I were him I would definetly not want the other 2 people in my pot, and I think I would have to make sure its only heads up. However a check raise preflop almost always indicates a strong hand like AA or KK. I had seen nothing to indicate that this person was a great player, and so I would have thought AA was possible but I stil dont think I would have layed down AA in that situation. This is why I almost always raise my AA's from EP in a ring game.

However, lets say he raised, I would have reraised, now he could call and disquise his hand. Therefore he could most likely take my stack if there was no Ace on the board. Even in this situation though, I think it would be better for him to push. AA is not a great hand to be calling an AI with after the flop. And even more bad when there are 3 or 4 people who saw the flop.

My main point is that unless it improves AA goes from being great to just good. Therefore you should get as much in possible preflop, because that is when you ALWAYS have the best of it. There is enough fish at the places most of us play, that they will be calling your 12x reraise with KJ. If you scare everyone out, to bad. Better than having someone with 6-9 flop there straight in which case you get destacked because you didnt want to scare anyone out.

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