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ender555
Old 04-23-2005, 02:35 PM     Post subject: Did i play this wrong? #1 (permalink)  
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***** Hand History for Game 1938414693 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Saturday, April 23, 10:32:13 EDT 2005
Table Table 37718 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: bleeep ( $20.53 )
Seat 3: ender555 ( $30.85 )
Seat 4: spades109 ( $14.3 )
Seat 5: Fin960 ( $21.7 )
Seat 6: NickLeeeson ( $85.86 )
Seat 7: mikequin ( $74.9 )
Seat 9: KoyBass ( $58.73 )
Seat 10: ireallySuk04 ( $14.24 )
Seat 1: andimal ( $23.2 )
Seat 8: odisseo ( $29.45 )
spades109 posts small blind [$0.1].
Fin960 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ender555 [ Js Kh ]
NickLeeeson raises [$1].
mikequin folds.
odisseo folds.
KoyBass folds.
ireallySuk04 folds.
andimal folds.
bleeep folds.
ender555 calls [$1].
spades109 folds.
Fin960 calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jh, 8d, 5c ]
Fin960 checks.
NickLeeeson bets [$3].
ender555 raises [$6].
>You have options at Table 37076 Table!.
Fin960 folds.
NickLeeeson calls [$3].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5s ]
NickLeeeson checks.
ender555 bets [$7].
NickLeeeson calls [$7].
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
NickLeeeson checks.
ender555 checks.
NickLeeeson shows [ Ac, As ] two pairs, aces and fives.
ender555 doesn't show [ Js, Kh ] two pairs, jacks and fives.
NickLeeeson wins $27.65 from the main pot with two pairs, aces and fives.
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Old 04-23-2005, 03:36 PM #2 (permalink)  
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No. Based on preflop action you had no reason to think you were behind. You bet you TPGK aggressively, which turned out to be the whole problem with this hand. Opponent played it well and let you do all the betting.

Only thing wrong is try to avoid playing KJ to an early raise, even if it was a min raise.
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ender555
Old 04-23-2005, 04:57 PM #3 (permalink)  
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No. Based on preflop action you had no reason to think you were behind. You bet you TPGK aggressively, which turned out to be the whole problem with this hand. Opponent played it well and let you do all the betting.

Only thing wrong is try to avoid playing KJ to an early raise, even if it was a min raise.
I'll keep that in mind.... thanks for the advice

Here's a beaut i just played. I love big blind and people who slow play aces.. haha

***** Hand History for Game 1938885532 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Saturday, April 23, 12:54:00 EDT 2005
Table Table 36679 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: kent_jsm ( $29.55 )
Seat 2: Jwadell ( $22.38 )
Seat 3: slavee ( $36.58 )
Seat 5: Delano1997 ( $17.45 )
Seat 4: ender555 ( $36.65 )
Seat 6: Antoniou ( $11.25 )
Jwadell posts small blind [$0.1].
ender555 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ender555 [ 8h 4c ]
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Delano1997 calls [$0.25].
Antoniou folds.
kent_jsm calls [$0.25].
ender555: didnt think u had it
Jwadell calls [$0.15].
ender555 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 8s, Kc ]
Jwadell bets [$0.25].
ender555 raises [$1].
Delano1997 calls [$1].
kent_jsm folds.
Jwadell calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4d ]
Jwadell bets [$0.25].
ender555 calls [$0.25].
Delano1997 raises [$1].
Jwadell calls [$0.75].
>You have options at 3 - Table(316566) Table #1 Table!.
ender555 raises [$2.75].
Delano1997 raises [$4].
Jwadell calls [$4].
ender555 raises [$7].
Delano1997 calls [$5].
Jwadell folds.
** Dealing River ** [ 5d ]
>You have options at $500 Players Club Freeroll(313324) Table #29 Table!.
ender555 bets [$6].
Delano1997 is all-In [$6.2]
ender555 calls [$0.2].
ender555 shows [ 8h, 4c ] a full house, Eights full of fours.
Delano1997 doesn't show [ As, Ac ] two pairs, aces and eights.
ender555 wins $39.4 from the main pot with a full house, Eights full of fours.
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Old 04-23-2005, 07:19 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I wouldn't have called his preflop raise with K-J offsuit.

Just call on the flop and fold if he continues showing strength on the turn, since you can basically only beat a bluff by that point. K-J offsuit quickly becomes crap once an opponent shows strength before the flop.
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Old 04-24-2005, 01:42 AM #5 (permalink)  
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I wouldn't have called his preflop raise with K-J offsuit.

Just call on the flop and fold if he continues showing strength on the turn, since you can basically only beat a bluff by that point. K-J offsuit quickly becomes crap once an opponent shows strength before the flop.
sounds good.
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Old 04-24-2005, 04:10 AM #6 (permalink)  
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For what it's worth, he played the hand pretty poorly (if he made the assumption he was ahead), giving you two chances to hit a fiver outter for free.

It's annoying when a bad player's hand is completely unreadable because he has no clue how to play it.
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Old 04-24-2005, 04:28 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
project weakness when you have a monster....project strength when you are weak....fundamentals that you have obviously learned very well
Better players read backwards poker like a book. Passive players won't pay off your best hands enough if all you do is check + call with them until the river. Enough players are like this that sometimes shoving it in signals lukewarm strength or even weakness.

Gotta mix it up. Playing an aggro game helps because they're confused as to if you really have it or not. Mix in the weak bet traps, weak bet bluffs and over-bet traps. I only ever pure slow play guys who are capable of bluffing with big bets, but laydown to strength.

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** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 8s, Kc ]
Jwadell bets [$0.25].
ender555 raises [$1].
Delano1997 calls [$1].
kent_jsm folds.
Jwadell calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4d ]
Jwadell bets [$0.25].
ender555 calls [$0.25].
Delano1997 raises [$1].
Jwadell calls [$0.75].
ender555 raises [$2.75].
For what it's worth, this betting pattern is 99% a monster unless you think the guy doing it is an idiot, but even then it's probably still a monster. At this point anyone who isn't maddly in love with their hand puts you on at least 8x. Great one to study and laydown to.
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Old 04-24-2005, 05:15 AM #10 (permalink)  
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I agree with Fnord. Raise on the turn as well to get more value out of a player with just a set, and also to disguise your hand. Just calling then suddenly raising on the river is an obvious slow-play.

I like making "standard" bets with monster hands to disguise the strength of my holdings.
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Old 04-24-2005, 05:40 PM #11 (permalink)  
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I agree with Fnord. Raise on the turn as well to get more value out of a player with just a set, and also to disguise your hand. Just calling then suddenly raising on the river is an obvious slow-play.

I like making "standard" bets with monster hands to disguise the strength of my holdings.
Thats possible, but I did raise on the flop. I thought it looked like i had the king personally and not the 8's.
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Kx will either go check/call or keep up the aggression.

When someone runs a funny line quite often it's a big hand.
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