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KrazyBluffer
Old 10-07-2006, 10:09 PM     Post subject: Did I play JJ,99 too aggressive and T2s poorly?? #1 (permalink)  

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Here is 3 hands:
I always start short stacked (40big blinds) and I am very aggressive with my short stacks when I hit the flop.
2 out of 3 hands I won. Can you guess which ones??

Hand 1:
No reads on villian except playing tight cuz I only seen him play around 20 hands.
Should I fold the flop here, or go AI???

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Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
10 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $17.50
Hero: $10.75
UTG+2: $11.40
MP1: $8.70
MP2: $45.20
MP3: $9
CO: $22.60
Button: $13.40
SB: $45.45
BB: $5.10

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is UTG+1 with J J
UTG calls, Hero raises to $1.25, 4 folds, CO calls, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: K Q J ($5.4, 4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets $5.5, UTG folds, Hero calls, CO folds.

Turn: 7 ($16.4, 2 players)
Hero is all-in $4, Button calls.

River: A ($24.4, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $24.4)


Results:
Final pot: $24.4

Hand 2:
I think Villian has a flush in this next one. What to do??
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $48
UTG+1: $78.35
CO: $17.35
Button: $26.53
Hero: $18
BB: $50.25

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with 2 T
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button calls, Hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: K 5 4 ($3, 6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, CO bets $0.5, Button raises to $1.5, Hero calls, 3 folds, CO calls.

Turn: 3 ($7.5, 3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets $4.5, Hero calls, CO calls.

River: Q ($21, 3 players)
Hero checks, CO is all-in $10.85, Button folds, Hero ???

Hand 3:
This hand is similar to the JJ hand. Somebody could have a made flush, a flush draw, or even a higher set. Did I play too aggressive?? Should I fold it on the flop instead of pushing to the raise???

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Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
7 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $102.18
UTG+1: $19.15
Hero: $18.50
CO: $71.14
Button: $121.15
SB: $42.45
BB: $43.05

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is MP1 with 9 9
2 folds, Hero raises to $2, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: 3 9 K ($4.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $2, CO raises to $12.5, Hero raises all-in $16.5, CO calls.

Turn: 5 ($37.75, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $37.75)


River: 7 ($37.75, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $37.75)


Results:
Final pot: $37.75
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Old 10-08-2006, 12:07 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 you played the hands fine except completing with T2 in the small blind.
I'm guessing you lost to the nuts in hand 2.
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Old 10-08-2006, 09:59 PM #3 (permalink)  

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you played the hands fine except completing with T2 in the small blind.
I'm guessing you lost to the nuts in hand 2.
I was just about to fold hand to than realized I was getting 3:1 odds with a couple of possibilites here:
a) guys bluffing
b) he caught a straight
c) he caught 2 pairs (KQ)
d) he has a flush (best guess) - if he has a flush I loose if he has an ace or a jack but win if he has 98, 87, 76,etc

So I called and he shows 9s 7s. I WIN!!!
After seeing the turn I had an open ended st8 and I believed that if i caught the st8 i would win. So that is what I really hoped for on the river.
I don't usually play T2s, i got myself in a tough situation, but 4 villians called PF and including the BB I was getting 11:1 odds on my half bet.
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Old 10-08-2006, 10:40 PM     Post subject: Re: Did I play JJ,99 too aggressive and T2s poorly?? #4 (permalink)  
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Funny, we were just talking about JJ and 99 elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by KrazyBluffer
I always start short stacked (40big blinds) and I am very aggressive with my short stacks when I hit the flop.

Hero is UTG+1 with J J

Flop: K Q J ($5.4, 4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks,
other than you lying about it this is pretty standard.

Hand 2 I usually bet the draw. Fold to turn bet.
Hand 3 great
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Old 10-08-2006, 10:41 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Old 10-08-2006, 10:42 PM #6 (permalink)  
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btw in hand two I don't see anything wrong with calling some suited trash occasionally versus multilimpers. I wouldn't do it every time though...
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Old 10-08-2006, 11:51 PM #7 (permalink)  

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Follow up:

Hand #1: I lost to ..... you will never believe it...... QQ Ouch!!!
Hand #2: I won , and had the balls to call, so i deserve it. (villain has 9s 7s)
Hand #3: I won, Villian shows Kc Tc

How about this hand today: I think I was too aggressive and should have just called the $4 bet on the flop. ( I know I screwed up)

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Blinds: $0.50/$1
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $120
Hero: $31.50
MP1: $100.48
MP2: $103.75
MP3: $180.75
CO: $100
Button: $57.80
SB: $60.54
BB: $72.50

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 7 7
UTG calls, Hero calls, 3 folds, CO (poster) checks, Button folds, SB calls, BB (poster) checks.

Flop: 2 J 7 ($5, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $4, Hero raises to $10, 4 folds.
Uncalled bets: $6 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $13
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Old 10-09-2006, 01:09 AM #8 (permalink)  
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How about this hand today: I think I was too aggressive and should have just called the $4 bet on the flop. ( I know I screwed up)
You didn't screw up at all, if anything raise more on the flop.

May I ask how your BR management is going, seeing as there are hands from three different levels in this thread?

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Old 10-09-2006, 05:24 AM #9 (permalink)  
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 yeah definitely don't fold in hand 2, I just thought it was the most likely hand that you lost. Nice hands.
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Old 10-09-2006, 07:56 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by KrazyBluffer
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How about this hand today: I think I was too aggressive and should have just called the $4 bet on the flop. ( I know I screwed up)
I think the hand is OK.

Like HalvSame says, you may even want to raise more on the flop.

This board is relatively draw-free aside from the FD, but it is not a bad idea to protect your hand particularly when you're up against a number of near-random hands. Winning a modest pot is preferable to getting drawn out when you've been giving cheap or free cards.
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Old 10-09-2006, 01:36 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Never fold in hand 2.
Why not? He's not getting odds for either draw, and neither draw is to the nuts.
EDIT: that is to say, he's not getting odds for draws combined (3 to 1)
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Old 10-09-2006, 07:21 PM #12 (permalink)  

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How about this hand today: I think I was too aggressive and should have just called the $4 bet on the flop. ( I know I screwed up)
You didn't screw up at all, if anything raise more on the flop.

May I ask how your BR management is going, seeing as there are hands from three different levels in this thread?
Well I have so far turned $50 into over $1600.
I cashed out $200 so I have a BR of around $1400.

I thought I should try some higher levels of play.
I tried 50NL and found it almost the same as 25NL.
Then I tried 100NL to clear the William Hill bonus. I've got almost 3 hours in and am up $85 (includes 2 hours of bonuses). I won't get too excited yet, cuz when I go AI at the 100NL my heart skips a beat, even though I still play short stacked.

BTW my biggest downswing ShortStacked is down 4 buy-ins. My biggest win is up 6 buyins(shortstacks) in about 10 minutes of play.

I like shortstacked for bonus whoring, cuz the bonuses are the same, with less risk. I also notice it is easier to get my last few dollars in the pot with a really good hand. People figure I am pot committed, and call, and then i show the a strong hand at SD.

Also, shortstacked I give less implied odds, and alot of the times it is wrong for a person holding a small pair to call.
Example: NL25
I start with $10, get delt QQ with 2 limpers ahead.
I raise to $1.50 and person behind calls with 66, and everybody else folds.
Implied odds say that I need $12 left for this person to call, but I may only have $8.00 left at this point. So even if they stack my $8 they are losing in the long run. So I just laugh at them for calling!!!
The other seven times I make $1.50+.50+25.+.15=2.35 x 7 = 16.25.
If this person calls my cbet than that number is more.
Now with $25 if I get stacked (which I know i shouldn't) but if i did, it would be a result in a loss. In other words, shortstacked I can play way more aggressive and still come out ahead even when getting stacked.

Does this make any sense cuz it has been working for well over 10000 hands???

Edited: Just wanted to add another point about BR. I was told you need 20x full-buyins to play at your stakes. So for 100NL you should have a BR of $2000. But so far, in my short experience I have found that playing shortstacked I only need 20X the shortstack. So for 100NL I only need $40x20 = $800.
Any comments on this. It seems unlikely I will loose 20 short buyins in a row. Even if I did bonuses should keep me pretty much even during that time anyway. And I could always move down.
(I hope I didn't just jinx myself )
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Old 10-09-2006, 07:36 PM #13 (permalink)  

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Never fold in hand 2.
Why not? He's not getting odds for either draw, and neither draw is to the nuts.
EDIT: that is to say, he's not getting odds for draws combined (3 to 1)
You have to factor in at least 10% for bluff s ( a little higher for these villians even without good reads).
I'm also playing shortstacked, so the risk is also less, I WOULD DEEP stacked here!!!
Amost 3:1 with some impled odds. I think the button can't beat a flush or a st8 on the turn, so I call ( if I didn't have the open-ended st8 I fold --- it was the additional openender with 8 outs that kept me in.
It looks likes a stupid play, cuz CO looks to be drawing to a flush. The button looks to have a King-x. What if the .50 bet is a feeler bet with a hand like JJ, and he just can't let it go??? Or Kc Tc or someting. With almost no reads, why assume As xs???
But they say good players don't need the nuts to play. I'm not saying I'm good, but almost all of the pots I win, I don't have the nuts. If CO is a tight-superpassive than I fold here.
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Old 10-09-2006, 07:38 PM #14 (permalink)  

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How about this hand today: I think I was too aggressive and should have just called the $4 bet on the flop. ( I know I screwed up)
I think the hand is OK.

Like HalvSame says, you may even want to raise more on the flop.

This board is relatively draw-free aside from the FD, but it is not a bad idea to protect your hand particularly when you're up against a number of near-random hands. Winning a modest pot is preferable to getting drawn out when you've been giving cheap or free cards.
Yes, I'm thinking if I call $4.00 then somebody behind with a flush draw might call with 3:1 odds + implied odds. So a raise looked good but I was thinking I should have just raised $4.00, but might have been same result anyway.
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Old 10-09-2006, 07:39 PM #15 (permalink)  
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With another guy probably drawing alongside you it's preferable to be drawing to the nuts.
It's not a bad call; I just said that "never fold" is incorrect. The right reads could easily make a fold correct.
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Old 10-09-2006, 07:49 PM #16 (permalink)  

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With another guy probably drawing alongside you it's preferable to be drawing to the nuts.
It's not a bad call; I just said that "never fold" is incorrect. The right reads could easily make a fold correct.
I agree "never fold" is incorrect. I wasn't only playing the cards, but the players as well ( at least that's what i keep telling myself).
Sometimes I fold, sometimes I call, sometimes I raise.

This was marginal all the way through.
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