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Tieme

01-11-2006, 02:46 AM Post subject: Did I play this hand wrong?

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PokerStars Game : Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/01/10 - 22:33:37 (ET)
Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: ($46.85 in chips)
Seat 2: ($44.05 in chips)
Seat 3: ($49.25 in chips)
Seat 4: ($34.60 in chips)
Seat 5: Villain ($50.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero ($24.85 in chips)
Seat 7: ($15.25 in chips)
Seat 9: ($71.25 in chips)
Tieme: posts small blind $0.25
H8_Bama: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero[Qc Qh]
Everyone else folds or checks and then folds after raise...
Villain: raises $1.50 to $2
Hero: raises $1.50 to $3.50
Villain: raises $8.50 to $12
Hero: calls $8.50
*** FLOP *** [8c Ah 3s]
Hero: checks
Villain: checks
*** TURN *** [8c Ah 3s] [Ad]
Hero: bets $12.85 and is all-in
Villain: calls $12.85
*** RIVER *** [8c Ah 3s Ad] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [Qc Qh] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
Villain: shows [Kd Ks] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
Villain collected $48.25 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50.70 | Rake $2.45
Board [8c Ah 3s Ad 2d]
Seat 1: folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Villain (button) showed [Kd Ks] and won ($48.25) with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 6: Hero (small blind) showed [Qc Qh] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 7: (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: folded before Flop

Let me know if/where I went wrong. Thanks

EDIT: I'm thinking when he raised to 8 I should have folded. This was a big mistake I think. After that though and he checked on the turn so I thought maybe he was slow playing the Ace pretending he was afraid I had one (in retrospect he prolly was). Well the second Ace hit and I figured pretty good chance he didnt have an Ace then so I thought I could either push him out or have a decent chance at winning. Can I please get someone else's analysis on it?

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bdawg56kg

01-11-2006, 08:59 AM

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Ugh. Your 50BB stack size complicates things a lot. Once villian 3-bets preflop, it's push or fold time. You can't call off 1/2 your stack preflop and fold later, unless your plan was a stop-n-go, but I guess not. After the 3-bet, I lean more towards a fold, but pushing isn't the worst play either. 50BB's all in preflop with QQ is a pretty good situation I think. Also, don't minraise preflop. Make it at least $6 to go. And leave the results out until you get some feedback first.

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r8ed

01-11-2006, 02:21 PM

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That turn Ace killed everything. It basically solidifies YOU don't have the Ace you were trying to rep. Nobody's pushing quads on the turn when they know they can get it on the river.

Yeah, your stack size gives you no room to make a move. This is why FTRers always advocate buying in full and reloading when you get down 20% (I prefer 10% or less) from the max. I'd push preflop and hope I'm up against AK or JJ. With a full stack, your preflop play is good. Call and hope to spike a Queen or a straight draw.

There's nothing you can do on this hand to move KK off.

Rondavu

01-11-2006, 07:57 PM

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Fold preflop. You asked if he had QQ beat, and he said "Yes I do!" Other than that, when the A hits the flop with your stack size, you either close shop or represent it right then, putting him on exactly KK.

It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

nutsinho

01-12-2006, 03:27 PM

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fold preflop. Flop is great, betting 2/3 your stack if he is not a calling station is +EV....if you were not shortstacked this would work much better though

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bigredhoss

01-13-2006, 12:49 AM

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push or fold preflop, buyin full stack next time.

Lukie

01-13-2006, 04:20 AM

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my advice:

1. drop down to NL25 at the highest.

2. full buy-in

3. leave in all those checks/folds etc. Those definately matter. For example, an EP raise with an early position limper represents more strength then an open raise from EP.

4. Regardless of the hand you are 2-betting with here preflop, make it a respectable amount. A min raise should never even be considered here. Your stack size complicates this a bit, but I think I'd make it about $5 total here and fold to a big 3 bet/push. Your stack size, hand, and the information you omitted (including any reads on villain) make this a very difficult hand to give a consistently solid line on, although getting it AI preflop with QQ and half a stack isn't horrible.

5. Ideally you would omit results, although I'm not as demanding of this as others. In fact, I usually just leave the results in on mine.. although I don't consider results when I'm posting advice.

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