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DimitriT
Old 07-01-2005, 06:11 PM     Post subject: delicate extraction #1 (permalink)  
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min bet to determine he's drawing but can't overbet in case
he caught the board and goes all-in..

PokerStars Game #2011217544: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/07/01 - 14:04:21 (ET)
Table 'Ortrud' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: olegmaliy ($1.85 in chips)
Seat 2: Rydaiin ($25.35 in chips)
Seat 3: DimitriT ($28.60 in chips)
Seat 4: coolguy12620 ($6.15 in chips)
Seat 6: kwyz ($11.70 in chips)
olegmaliy: posts small blind $0.10
Rydaiin: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DimitriT [As 7d]
DimitriT: raises $0.50 to $0.75
coolguy12620: folds
kwyz: folds
olegmaliy: calls $0.65
Rydaiin: folds
*** FLOP *** [9c Jh 5c]
olegmaliy: checks
DimitriT: bets $0.25
olegmaliy: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [9c Jh 5c] [Ts]
olegmaliy: checks
DimitriT: bets $0.25
olegmaliy: calls $0.25
*** RIVER *** [9c Jh 5c Ts] [3s]
olegmaliy: checks
DimitriT: bets $0.75
olegmaliy: folds
DimitriT collected $2.65 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.75 | Rake $0.10
Board [9c Jh 5c Ts 3s]
Seat 1: olegmaliy (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 2: Rydaiin (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: DimitriT collected ($2.65)
Seat 4: coolguy12620 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: kwyz (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Old 07-01-2005, 06:17 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I suppose, although your weak bet encourages him to raise if he has a draw.
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Old 07-01-2005, 06:29 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I don't like to min bet in these situations. At a normal .10/.25 ring table they will call down pot sized bets without odds drawing to a straight/flush, I would have fired out the flop pot sized, if you are just called then you can assume he has a draw. Then you should make him have to make a call without odds on the turn, so you can take a bigger pot with him.

Giving people odds to call with a draw is never good, make them pay to see a card!
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Old 07-01-2005, 06:36 PM #4 (permalink)  
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the fact that you're allowing a draw with the min bets, tells me that you don't have a decent hand either, and if I was feeling a little frisky that day, I may re-raise you big on the river. It's a good read and good play against a tighty, but a more aware player might see through it.
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Old 07-01-2005, 06:41 PM #5 (permalink)  
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hmmm.. considering he only has about $1.50 left, would you really
fire out a pot sized bet once you know he's on the draw. the point
is to leave enough in his stack so you can successfully bluff him if he
busts the draw..
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hmmm.. considering he only has about $1.50 left, would you really
fire out a pot sized bet once you know he's on the draw. the point
is to leave enough in his stack so you can successfully bluff him if he
busts the draw..
If his draw doesn't make and you are sure of it, surely it isn't a bluff because you have the best hand.

I don't consider stack sizes in this situation, what you want to aiming to do on this hand is not give him correct odds to draw, giving someone odds to draw to their straight here is most definitely -EV.

Even if you do fire out pot sized on the flop and turn and he calls it all in, he has called without odds, so that puts you in a +EV situation.
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Old 07-01-2005, 06:54 PM #7 (permalink)  
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If his draw doesn't make and you are sure of it, surely it isn't a bluff because you have the best hand.
What if he caught a small pair?
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If his draw doesn't make and you are sure of it, surely it isn't a bluff because you have the best hand.
What if he caught a small pair?
He'd raise a J here, so he doesn't have a JX flush draw for sure.

Is he capable of calling PFRs with Q5?
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