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mxiu
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02-16-2009, 04:45 PM
Post subject: Deepstacked KK
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($48.55)
UTG+1 ($159.30)
MP1 ($51.50)
MP2 ($50)
Hero (MP3) ($178)
CO ($49.95)
Button ($58.90)
SB ($48.75)
BB ($57.25)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K , K
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $6, 4 folds, UTG+1 raises to $18, Hero calls $12
Flop: ($36.75) 3 , Q , Q (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $21, Hero calls $21
Turn: ($78.75) 3 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $50, Hero?
Comments on all streets appreciated.
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bigspenda73
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Well I know you have reads since you're 300bb+ deep it'd be nice to have them.
I'd typically call PF, the turn looks like a pretty simple fold (flop might be as well) against a typical 4betting range from an UTG opener.
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Im_new
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I think I'd call him down. But I need to know his stats for that.
raising or shoving anywhere only gets better hands to call. Though a raise on the turn may get rid of AA...
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Fnord
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Bigger re-raise pre-flop.
What do you know about this guy?
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mxiu
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Oops, thought I left reads. I'm pretty sure he was like 17/15 over 100 hands, nothing out of line. No big history.
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ATOTHEC101
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gay spot, fold turn.
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"This sure beats Super Mario Bros.!" is my ejaculation catch phrase.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101
gay spot, fold turn.
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This, although I wouldn't tell anyone I played it like that.
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by mxiu
Oops, thought I left reads. I'm pretty sure he was like 17/15 over 100 hands, nothing out of line. No big history.
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this is what kills me about the FR grinder. You're both sitting 300bb deep, you should have at the very least some better info than 17/15.
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mxiu
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How do you play it?
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mxiu
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
Quote:
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Originally Posted by mxiu
Oops, thought I left reads. I'm pretty sure he was like 17/15 over 100 hands, nothing out of line. No big history.
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this is what kills me about the FR grinder. You're both sitting 300bb deep, you should have at the very least some better info than 17/15. |
I only got 100 hands on him =/
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mxiu
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and fwiw, he didnt take long to bet the flop and turn
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bigspenda73
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you could read my first reply
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mxiu
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I was asking fnord =P
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
you could read Fnord's reply
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If I didn't give a shit, I'd just call it down and know that I'm a bit worse than a coin flip.
If I think he can get out of line, I happily call this down. Although the full ring dynamic really cuts into the frequency this isn't Aces.
What sucks here is that you're 300bb deep with effectivly the second nuts. Just might just have to let the wookie win for your sanity.
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Renton
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i would normally call pre unless your 3-betting range in this precise spot consists of tons of non KK+ hands AND he knows it. It probably doesn't, and he probably doesn't.
weird spot on turn, because it seems like he would pot control AA. He's kinda representing a Q, but we know he can't have one. He knows we can't really either. He could be using that info to valuebet AA with impunity though.
I would fold. Flop seems like a call since u called pre. It could be neg ev, but I can't see calling pre to fold on this flop.
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