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SonOfAkira
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05-18-2006, 02:13 AM
Post subject: Debate with the roommate about this hand...
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Straight
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 147
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Got into a debate with my roommate, who is LHE player, about this hand. He says donkesque, and while I am iffy about my play, I don't find it donktastic at all.
(How does ultimate bet's hand histories work? Can't find them on the computer.)
.50/1.00 full ring.
Relevant players have about equal 100$ stacks.
Reads: ABC TAG players, except Button, who is a calling station.
HERO holds 6s 6d in CO.
UTG+1 raises to 4, MP calls, HERO calls, Button calls.
pot:17.50
Flop : 6c 7c 9c
UTG+1 bets 13, MP raises to 30, HERO calls, Button folds;
UTG +1 reraises to 60, MP pushes, HERO calls, UTG+1 calls.
Thoughts?
My thought was one of them had a made flush, but that I needed both in for my boat equity to be worthwhile, hence the original raise call. What's my play if UTG+1 folds?
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andy-akb
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Maine
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This is a very scary flop, I would have probably pushed over the MP raise. As played I think you have to lay this down after a reraise and a push.
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mcatdog
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: St. Louis
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by andy-akb
This is a very scary flop, I would have probably pushed over the MP raise. As played I think you have to lay this down after a reraise and a push.
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Fold for $70 more in a $300 pot when you have a 35% chance of making a boat by the river? No way I fold that.
It sucks to call $30 the first time around because you'll be put in an annoying spot if the board doesn't pair on the turn and MP pushes, but I don't see any other way to play this. I can't think of any advantages to pushing the first time around unless you think there's a chance one or both of them are semi-bluffing with an overpair/big club or something like that.
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andy-akb
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Maine
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by mcatdog
No way I'm folding.
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Button is a calling station, button folded. The others are ABC Tag players, do they both have overpairs here? If we are ahead, it cant be by much, we are way behind a higher set, about 65:35 against a straight or a made flush, and are ahead of an overpair, but they may have a draw to a flush. So really though, with this action, what does an ABC tag have? Id say a set, flush or an overpair are the most likely options and Id be surprised if they both had overpairs here.
After the bet, then raise would you push?
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SonOfAkira
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Straight
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 147
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Wow, thanks for the quick replies.
The relevance of the reads was that UTG +1 wouldnt c-bet into 3 other players on a scary board, and MP wouldnt raise even more so. Somebody was the donkey and i didnt want him to get out of the way. I was absolutely positive I was behind at least one of the players, if not both, but one was drawing dead. The only crucial decision was relying on UTG +1 to come in behind and I wasn't sure if he'd do this with AxAc. This is why I ruled out the original push, because it might make AA fold, considering he was smart enough to realize he wasn't getting fair equity, that his flush outs were dirty by one of us.
Im pretty sure if UTG+1 doesnt come along I'm folding given the reads. The question is against two randoms, I push over, no?
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