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Old 05-21-2010, 09:24 PM     Post subject: Dealing with min 3-bets #1 (permalink)  
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I've started playing regularly again, and I've been feeling very lost about where I am in a hand when I get min 3bet pre. These two hands are just examples. I'm not really looking for advice in these specific hands but how to handle these min 3bets in general. I've seen players do it with nut hands, but fish also do it with crap. Any help would be appreciate.

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saw flop

UTG+1 ($17.50)
MP1 ($63.10)
Hero (MP2) ($85.90)
CO ($18)
Button ($50)
SB ($17.75)
BB ($46.25)
UTG ($51.85)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J, K
3 folds, Hero bets $1.75, 3 folds, BB raises to $3, Hero calls $1.25

Flop: ($6.25) 6, 4, 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($6.25) J (2 players)
BB bets $4.25, Hero calls $4.25

River: ($14.75) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $39 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $14.75 | Rake: $0.70

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saw flop

MP ($20)
CO ($35)
Button ($36.60)
Hero (SB) ($50)
BB ($25)
UTG ($32.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, Q
UTG checks, MP checks, CO checks, 1 fold, Hero bets $3, BB raises to $5.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($12.50) Q, 7, 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $12.50, Hero folds

Total pot: $12.50 | Rake: $0.60
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Old 05-21-2010, 11:59 PM #2 (permalink)  
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i'm folding both especially the first , it sounds like AA or something like that
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Old 05-22-2010, 12:23 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 I like both hands. Make notes about what they min3b if the hands go to showdown.
I think it's pretty random, and the guys who do min3b are usually playing their hand face up on the flop. Just don't try to bluff them off underpairs on Axx boards.
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Old 05-22-2010, 12:27 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I think you have to get the second hand in. He's only a half stack and if the hand has converted correctly there a 3 posters which could make him more likely to spaz. You definitely see TT/JJ sometimes here too.
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Old 05-22-2010, 07:31 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 1. Hand 1 is fine
2. I fold preflop. Just realize that you can't call his min3Bet preflop and then not go all the way vs a half stack when you hit flops like this. As played c/shove is best.

Also, make sure you pay close attention to what they're showing down when they min3bet and take notes


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Old 05-22-2010, 05:36 PM #6 (permalink)  
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h1 standard, played fine
h2 i think we have to get it in here after calling pre vs half stack
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Old 05-22-2010, 07:18 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 I think calling pre us fine in hand 2 against an unknown. Flop bet sizing looks scary that's why I don't mind a fold. I would call or c/r but I think it's close.
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Old 05-23-2010, 01:27 AM #8 (permalink)  
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i fold preflop with these offsuit broadway but call with sooted. Its terrible to fold in hand 2 once you got there with TPGK.
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Old 05-24-2010, 04:33 AM #9 (permalink)  
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thanks for the replies.
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Old 05-25-2010, 07:02 PM #10 (permalink)  
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I find it very difficult to fold PF to these "Min-Raises" given the great odds that villain's providing.

That being said, I also try hard to be really careful Post-Flop not to get caught up too badly in bad reverse implied odds situations, especially deep.

Would think folding often to min-3 bets would be really exploitable (although a villain min-3betting probably doesn't pay enough attention lol).
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Old 05-28-2010, 12:15 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 in first i would actually take a stab at the flop and as played fold riv

in 2 fold preflop FOR SURE as played sigh minraiseallin
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Old 06-07-2010, 09:49 PM #12 (permalink)  
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1- Bet flop
2- Fold PF
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