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Old 07-23-2008, 11:08 PM     Post subject: dealing with the check-minraise #1 (permalink)  
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I can't do it. For sake of example lets say I open to 4x and villain calls. I cbet the flop and he check minraises. Lets just assume pot is 8x, I cbet 6x, and he raises to 12x. Therefore he's betting 12 to win 14 and he needs me to fold about half the time to show an immediate profit. Which is awesome for him because I can't have the best hand 50% of the time.

Instead of folding, I find myself often doing this stupid fucking shit that's probably costing me something like 3bb/100.

nickianthony: posts small blind $0.25
Boston1602: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to euphoricism [:Qc: :Ks:]
guesshwu: folds
Eggpie: folds
euphoricism: raises $1.50 to $2
JPDA31: calls $2
YouthNAsia: folds
Poddna: folds
nickianthony: folds
Boston1602: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
euphoricism: bets $3.50
JPDA31: raises $3.50 to $7
euphoricism: calls $3.50
*** TURN *** [5s 6c 2h] []
euphoricism: checks
JPDA31: bets $3 (WHAT THE FUCCCKKKKK)
euphoricism: calls $3
*** RIVER *** [5s 6c 2h 9h] []
euphoricism: checks
JPDA31: bets $5.50
euphoricism: folds


The only counter I can think of to this is to cbet significantly less. Currently I try to Cbet with a range of my best hands which I will obv continue to a raise (the nuts, nut draws) and my worst hands (where I feel OK folding anyway) but most of my hands fall far inbetween that range, like the hand above.

Definitely looking for ideas.
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Old 07-23-2008, 11:15 PM #2 (permalink)  
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lol stop outthinking yourself and fold, if they do it to you repeatedly then you can start floating/3bet bluffing with air but for the most part this line isn't used as a bluff as often as you seem to be thinking.

Wat were you thinking when you called? Even if you were getting the odds to spike a K or a Q the reverse implied odds are horrible enough to make this a ridiculously easy fold.
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Old 07-23-2008, 11:42 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Its either a fold or 3 bet bluff on the flop if he is capable of folding his weak range of hands. As played, i probably c/r his asshole tiny bet on the turn and look for his funny face IMO. c/c with air OOP really sucks and is a losing play vs these idiots.
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Old 07-24-2008, 06:27 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 3bet or fold flop!!! and also fold turn.
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