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TalentedTom
Old 11-22-2005, 06:49 PM     Post subject: DAMN BAD LAYDOWN? #1 (permalink)  
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that club really exited him....
PokerStars Game #3127979257: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/11/22 - 14:39:22 (ET)
Table 'Roka' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: garyfmarsh ($132.55 in chips)
Seat 2: TalentedTom ($244.75 in chips)
Seat 3: sproutster ($45.20 in chips)
Seat 4: CTSU ($66.60 in chips)
Seat 5: Fumanchu70 ($118.45 in chips)
Seat 6: ronin24 ($73.30 in chips)
Seat 7: eNTiTy ($125.90 in chips)
Seat 8: spacejam08 ($125.60 in chips)
Seat 9: Bronxy ($126.40 in chips)
Fumanchu70: posts small blind $0.50
ronin24: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TalentedTom [Ks Kh]
eNTiTy: folds
spacejam08: folds
Bronxy: folds
garyfmarsh: folds
TalentedTom: raises $3 to $4
sproutster: folds
CTSU: folds
Bronxy leaves the table
Fumanchu70: calls $3.50
Clarissa_8_ joins the table at seat #9
ronin24: folds
*** FLOP *** [7c 4h Ac]
Fumanchu70: checks
TalentedTom: checks
*** TURN *** [7c 4h Ac] [Kc]
Fumanchu70: bets $5
TalentedTom: raises $5 to $10
Fumanchu70: raises $20 to $30
TalentedTom: calls $20
*** RIVER *** [7c 4h Ac Kc] [2h]
Fumanchu70: bets $84.45 and is all-in
TalentedTom said, "jeez"
TalentedTom said, "i have KKK"
TalentedTom said, "jeez"
TalentedTom said, "i shm"
TalentedTom said, "jq suited?"
TalentedTom said, "geez"
TalentedTom said, "nh"
TalentedTom: folds
Fumanchu70 collected $66 from pot
Fumanchu70: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $69 | Rake $3
Board [7c 4h Ac Kc 2h]
Seat 1: garyfmarsh folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: TalentedTom folded on the River
Seat 3: sproutster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: CTSU (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Fumanchu70 (small blind) collected ($66)
Seat 6: ronin24 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: eNTiTy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: spacejam08 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Bronxy folded before Flop (didn't bet)

dammn this hand is pissing me off im loosing my mind here, any thoughts?
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Old 11-22-2005, 06:56 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 There is a better chance that he hit a 2 pair than a flush. Or maybe even lower trips that he may have been slow playing and only re-raised because you had shown aggression.

I would have called this.


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Old 11-22-2005, 07:01 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Ah yes results in white
I kept asking i went crazy after this hand


TalentedTom: ill get to the bottom of this
Fumanchu70: lol
Fumanchu70: 65 of clubs
Dealer: Game #3128067424: eNTiTy wins pot ($10.45)
Fumanchu70: happy?



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Old 11-22-2005, 07:10 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Why did you check behind on the flop?
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Old 11-22-2005, 07:11 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Why no flop bet?
He's calling there anyway most likely...but at least you can get out on the river more confidently...
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Old 11-22-2005, 07:42 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Had he checked on the turn as well then I would pick this baby up, there is almost no hand that will check twice. I dont feel the need to take unnessesary risks on this flop


BTW he was a nice guy, he e-mailed me the results

POKERSTARS GAME #3127979257: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/11/22 - 14:39:22 (ET)
Table 'Roka' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: garyfmarsh ($132.55 in chips)
Seat 2: TalentedTom ($244.75 in chips)
Seat 3: sproutster ($45.20 in chips)
Seat 4: CTSU ($66.60 in chips)
Seat 5: Fumanchu70 ($118.45 in chips)
Seat 6: ronin24 ($73.30 in chips)
Seat 7: eNTiTy ($125.90 in chips)
Seat 8: spacejam08 ($125.60 in chips)
Seat 9: Bronxy ($126.40 in chips)
Fumanchu70: posts small blind $0.50
ronin24: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Fumanchu70 [5c 6c]
eNTiTy: folds
spacejam08: folds
Bronxy: folds
garyfmarsh: folds
TalentedTom: raises $3 to $4
sproutster: folds
CTSU: folds
Bronxy leaves the table
Fumanchu70: calls $3.50
Clarissa_8_ joins the table at seat #9
ronin24: folds
*** FLOP *** [7c 4h Ac]
Fumanchu70: checks
TalentedTom: checks
*** TURN *** [7c 4h Ac] [Kc]
Fumanchu70: bets $5
TalentedTom: raises $5 to $10
Fumanchu70: raises $20 to $30
TalentedTom: calls $20
*** RIVER *** [7c 4h Ac Kc] [2h]
Fumanchu70: bets $84.45 and is all-in
TalentedTom said, "jeez"
TalentedTom said, "i have KKK"
TalentedTom said, "jeez"
TalentedTom said, "i shm"
TalentedTom said, "jq suited?"
TalentedTom said, "geez"
TalentedTom said, "nh"
TalentedTom: folds
Fumanchu70 collected $66 from pot
Fumanchu70: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $69 | Rake $3
Board [7c 4h Ac Kc 2h]
Seat 1: garyfmarsh folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: TalentedTom folded on the River
Seat 3: sproutster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: CTSU (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Fumanchu70 (small blind) collected ($66)
Seat 6: ronin24 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: eNTiTy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: spacejam08 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Bronxy folded before Flop (didn't bet)


I think had I bet the flop, he woulda flat called (doh) and I woulda ende dup going broke on the later streets. THis worked out well in general.
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Old 11-22-2005, 08:42 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Yea - not a bad line in this case given what you were up against, and that you hit something good on the turn.
Nice of him to send you the HH there - a rare thing indeed!
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Old 11-23-2005, 11:23 AM #8 (permalink)  
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maybe he faked it to give you a false read later :O

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Old 11-24-2005, 03:32 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Quote:
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maybe he faked it to give you a false read later :O

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DUM DUM DUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMM
i actually thought of this as a posibility, but in regards to his play it definatley makes a lot of sence.
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Old 11-24-2005, 09:59 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Regardless of the results I think your biggest mistake in this hand is checking the flop. You gotta rep that ace and take away his drawing odds. 33% of the time opp folds cos he doesnt have an ace, 33% of the time he folds because he doesn't believe the odds are there.
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Old 11-24-2005, 10:06 AM #11 (permalink)  
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I bet that flop (the pot) every single time. I have no idea why you would check it.
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Old 11-24-2005, 12:21 PM #12 (permalink)  
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 You gotta rep that flop, and your argument that "he would have called anyway" is very incorrect. On a drawless board, I would like a check behind here.. situation depending. Anyway back to my point, if you bet out here, and he calls with poor odds, he is making a mistake. He is worse then 4:1 against to improve on the turn, so disreguard the fact that he does hit this time, but a 4-flush improves on the turn less than 1 out of 5 times. I don't really know how else to explain it..

Also, why raise that turn with the 3rd club out there? Call me weak but I think I call there and play the river accordingly. He is probably value betting there so you may be able to get a fairly cheap showdown. If you fill up, you may be able to take him to the cleaners.
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Old 11-24-2005, 11:57 PM #13 (permalink)  
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If i represented flop i woulda most likley have gone broke due to pot commitment
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Old 11-25-2005, 03:06 AM #14 (permalink)  
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Look at results much?
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Old 11-26-2005, 10:50 PM #15 (permalink)  
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I can't beleive everyone raises this flop that's seriously amazing, any hand you beat will call any hand you dominate will fold, if you check the dominated hands won't raise anyway + there is a very small chance of suckout. I made this post before I knew the results, but even if I never knew the results, I don't see a point to raising this flop.
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