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isuck

08-31-2004, 02:33 AM Post subject: Critique me

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10 Dollar buy in, 6 people with my friends. Blind 25 50 cents. (low game but w/e asses.

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Ok first big hand. I have jack queen and raise before the flop a tad bit seeing as how most people folded and i had quite the nice hand.

The flop came down Jack Queen 7. I check it, the other kid checks. Ace comes down, he bets, i reraise, he calls. River was a 7. Thinking i had em beat, i raised 4 and he called, that second 7 gave him a higer two pair than me. Thats not what even made me mad though...I thought i won the hand not seeing the 7's. I was celebrating for two hands after, when my other friend's like wasnt there two 7's giving him the higher two pair? Had to give him his money back....lol

Basically, i played every hand agreessively if i felt it worthy to play to the flop which worked out well because i got my chip stack to second next to the ass who won with that two pair.

Next hand i had K h 7 d 3 hearts come out. I raised and he called. Another heart came and i checked all the way to the river. It was risky but it worked. He raised, and i called and raised all in. It took him a while but he called with a queen high flush. I had king high flush.

This gave me the chip lead.

Next, i had king queen, the same kid called the blind , and i raised, he reraised me, i go all in with King Queen Suited surely thinking i had him and anyway, he didnt have many chips. He had pocket aces...Needless to say i lost. Not to mention he got pocket aces the next hand making it two in a row for him.

Now, he won some more when we doubled the blinds, and was almost even with me, had a bit less. I had jack 10, flop comes 9 2 Jack. I check, and he checked. 10 comes out giving me the two pair, i raised and he called. a 10 came on the river giving me the full hizzy. He raised and i went all in, in a strong manner hoping he thought i was bluffing, he called, he had pocket 9's(three of akind) and i knocked him out. BYE BYE.

Now it was heads up, i had ace king. He called bid blind, i raised 10 and he went all in. I called not thinking it can get any worse, and he had Pocket aces. LOL yeah. So me and him ended up splitting the money because we were tired of playing and personally i didnt see my luck getting better so....It was a fun night.

Some of my calls were stupid, but hey, after every night you're supposed to review your play right? I know what to fix but id like to hear your opinions on this wacky game.

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allLiving

08-31-2004, 05:05 AM

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My view is that slowplaying a non-nut hand isn't worth it in the long-term. In the first hand you flopped two pair, come out betting hard and even harder on the turn if he calls on the flop. Also mid-late in tournies when blinds are high, you want to limit your preflop all-ins to higher pocket pairs and Axs. Ace high is at a nice advantage over other hands. My 2 cents.

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drmcboy

08-31-2004, 12:35 PM

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Ok first big hand. I have jack queen and raise before the flop a tad bit seeing as how most people folded and i had quite the nice hand.

Not a fan of this, QJ is not much of a hand. If you're raising, it should be in hopes of winning the pot right now. Then as said above, when you've actually hit this hand, you MUST bet it, because there was an obvious straight draw - your slow play just gave chances for everyone to catch up. Plus as you saw many people will play Kx or Ax just for the high card, bet them out before they can get help.

isuck

08-31-2004, 03:54 PM

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Well it was only me and one other person in the hand. YOu guys make it sound like Queen Jack is a crap hand, but a lot of you guys play 7-4 as well as Jack 10 like its pocket aces. Queen Jack is nice for a big flop, especially that one.

See, my problem is always i get headstrong, and get so excited i have the best hand (or think i do) and just see how many chips i can take from him. IMO he made the wrong call thinking i had nothing but got his two pair on the river. But yeah i agree, that was the first time i tried to slow play a two pair that much and it bit me in the ass.
But guys, i flopped two pair, basically the nuts, cuz the ace wasnt on the flop and slow played it. I dont see whats wrong with that, sucks that he hit his pair and the 7's on the board, but hey it happends.

Makana

08-31-2004, 05:28 PM

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AllLiving and drmcboy are both right. Checking two pair is a classic mistake. I've seen it come back to bite many a player. The only time you want to check a big hand is if you are absolutely not afraid of the giving them a free card or you are certain they are going to bet it so that you may check raise.

And remember, two pair isn't the nuts or even close to it, because he could have easily flopped a set. Also, you didn't say which suits were out, but there are a lot of draw possibilities and I can think of a lot of hands that you wouldn't want to give a free card to right there.

I also see you slowplaying your J 10 when you flop the Jack later on. Yes you end up winning the hand and making a full boat, but your odds on that hand are horrible even after the turn. Obviously the table you're playing at has a problem with slowplay because I can't see why the guy with a set of 9's would not raise you on the turn with such an obvious straight draw out there.

And KQ is not a very good all-in hand unless you're short stacked. Check out the odds against even A2, it's almost 60-40 in favor of the Ace.

Humphrind

08-31-2004, 06:38 PM

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I agree that slow-playing 2 pair isn't a good idea. However, I think isuck is playing this game 3 handed. If that is the case, 2 pair is alot stronger than it is in a 10 handed game. It might be worth slow-playing to get some money out of people, but you still run a big risk of being outdrawn.

isuck, did I read correctly? You had Qs and Js, and took the pot. You continued to brag about it and a few hands later, someone said that the other person had As and 7s. And you had to give the money back?
1st, don't brag. That is being a bad winner (and in this case it cost you) 2nd, if there was a correction in my home game after the fact, it would be null and void. You have to call it when the cards are out, not after.

I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.

isuck

09-01-2004, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Humphrind

Didnt brag, my hand was trambling and i was like damn man, that was nuts, didnt put it in his face or anything lol, then a few seconds after the kids said that there was a pair on board plus his aces. No bragging, and if i said that, i lied, there wasnt any, just some reminder of that hand.

I was actually thinking that, but today we played again and i called his mistake with my two pair lol, and i got my money back. So were 1 for 1 with that now.

Humphrind

09-01-2004, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by isuck

I was actually thinking that, but today we played again and i called his mistake with my two pair lol, and i got my money back. So were 1 for 1 with that now.

Similar thing happened to me not to long ago. This is during the hand, not after.

player 1 says, "I have a pair"
Player 2 says, "I have a higher pair"
I step in and say, "Wait, player 1 has a straight."
Player 1 takes the pot

Later in the same game, exact same thing happens with the same 2 players. This time I don't say anything. I just think, "They are both stupid. I let 1 person take it 1st, and I'll let the other take it 2nd." and I didn't say anything.

I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.

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