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Laeelin
Old 09-09-2005, 04:42 PM     Post subject: Crazy hand... #1 (permalink)  
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$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, September 09, 12:31:14 EDT 2005
Table Table 37413 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: vrihi ( $22.35 )
Seat 3: xhelmetx ( $66.10 )
Seat 5: Terp8712 ( $91.70 )
Seat 7: daone007 ( $221.84 )
Seat 8: Laeelin ( $126.05 )
Seat 9: tahoe89 ( $87.65 )
Seat 10: BJHoward ( $15.40 )
Seat 6: pkrstud007 ( $98.50 )
Seat 2: clarkkim ( $61 )
Seat 4: cathoai ( $87.55 )
clarkkim posts small blind [$0.50].
xhelmetx posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Laeelin [ Kc Kh ]
cathoai calls [$1].
Terp8712 calls [$1].
pkrstud007 folds.
daone007 calls [$1].
Laeelin raises [$4].
tahoe89 folds.
BJHoward calls [$4].
vrihi calls [$4].
clarkkim folds.
xhelmetx calls [$3].
cathoai calls [$3].
Terp8712 calls [$3].
Laeelin: wow
daone007 raises [$6].
Laeelin raises [$16].
BJHoward is all-In [$11.40]
vrihi is all-In [$18.35]
xhelmetx folds.
cathoai folds.
Terp8712 folds.
daone007 calls [$15.35].
Laeelin calls [$2.35].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 2h, 6d ]
daone007 checks.
Laeelin bets [$40].
daone007 calls [$40].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7h ]
daone007 checks.
Laeelin checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 8c ]
daone007 bets [$40].


After that flop call, should I have pushed the turn or went into check/fold mode?

What do you think daone007 had??

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PokerPatNEU
Old 09-09-2005, 05:17 PM #2 (permalink)  
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With two limpers in front of him, daone tried to limp pre flop. That is not a play that most good players will make with a premium hand AK/KK/AA/QQ in my estimation.

With three limpers infront of you i think your initial raise is a little weak. With KK don't you want to isolate 1-2 opponents? Then everyone else in the hand calls your raise, and Daone tries to re-raise? This looks extremely fishy to me. He let two people limp then re-raised after YOUR raise + all those limpers? I just can't give him credit for AA here unless he's kinda a dumby or the table has been raisign pre flop like crazy and he knew he'd get a chance to slam in a big re-raise pre flop. Even if thats the case, his re raise is so small he has to know everyone in the pot is goign to see the flop still. I might just push pre flop right here

daone007 raises [$6].
Laeelin raises [$16].

if i were you. By his flop turn river play i guess he could have made a set with any one of those pairs. 33 22 or 66 are all check/calling putting you on overs. 77 calls the flop because its still an over pair then when it makes a set on the turn plays that way too. 88 same thing as 77 except now its the river and he leads out.

My analysis is that you almost definitely had the best hand pre flop. It could still be 99, TT, JJ, QQ that he's holding...or a hand that beats you, or even AK maybe. I think i call this river.
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Old 09-09-2005, 05:40 PM #3 (permalink)  

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hmmm.....9T?
sooted of course!
pocket Jacks eh?

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Laeelin
Old 09-09-2005, 05:47 PM #4 (permalink)  
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How much more do you think I should have raise preflop?

FIY: I'll post the results later today.

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Old 09-09-2005, 05:55 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Well theres 4.50 in the pot already when it gets to you and 3 limpers. You're in MP so preferable you want the people after you to fold, and 1 or 2 limpers to come along with their two high cards or suited connectors or whatever else they're trying to limp in. I probably make it 7$ to go. You figure if it folds around back to the limpers they only have 6$ to pay and 12$ already in the pot you will probably get a call from 1 or two of them hopefully rather than all 6 of the remainign players in the hand.

The more i think about it the more I am sure i would push when daone raises you. Unless i have seen him playing very fishily with premium hands prior to this, i gotta put him on two high cards or a medium pair. Maybe even Ax suited, his pre flop play is just so weird i think he's a serious fish. His is the only stack comparable to yours, the other limpers are all short stacked. Push here, if the short stacks call and you only beat daone's hand you will still make a bundle on this hand.
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Old 09-09-2005, 05:56 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 I'm leaning to a push pre flop... as said above if this opp is crazy enough to limp behind two others, THEN make a weird weak raise with AA, I'm paying. You've got a nice pot already built when it gets back to you, I say get the chips in now.

Post flop... boy. I don't see how he can have a set/str8 after min raising pre flop, seems like QQ?
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Old 09-09-2005, 06:14 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I agree, I think I should have pushed preflop, And well done everyone.. Everyone came to the correct conclusion and said call. (I did call)

He is a big fish, but that was the first time I had saw him reraise preflop. (though he raised preflop a lot) ... I thought he might have AA just because of that...

I think I played to scared this hand, what do ya'll think?

The result was:

daone007 bets [$40].
Laeelin: AA? .. we will see
Laeelin calls [$40].
daone007 shows [ 7s, 5h ] a pair of sevens.
Laeelin shows [ Kc, Kh ] a pair of kings.
BJHoward doesn't show [ 9d, 8d ] a pair of eights.
vrihi doesn't show [ 6s, 5s ] a pair of sixes.
Laeelin wins $160 from side pot #2 with a pair of kings.
Laeelin wins $20.85 from side pot #1 with a pair of kings.
Laeelin wins $71.10 from the main pot with a pair of kings.


Looking back I think he was trying to prepair for a flop steal with that raise.

He just lost everything at the table...

And he is welcome to my friends list =)

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$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, September 09, 14:11:24 EDT 2005
Table Table 37413 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: PaintedSkyz ( $107 )
Seat 3: Sm0keyBlntz ( $110.90 )
Seat 4: C_Bronson ( $170.30 )
Seat 5: SemiBlupp ( $124.65 )
Seat 6: WGHarding ( $106.55 )
Seat 7: daone007 ( $88.92 )
Seat 8: Laeelin ( $274.67 )
Seat 9: tahoe89 ( $155.50 )
Seat 1: MUSSO22 ( $97 )
Seat 10: AA2869 ( $100 )
C_Bronson posts small blind [$0.50].
SemiBlupp posts big blind [$1].
AA2869 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Laeelin [ Ah 7h ]
WGHarding folds.
daone007 calls [$1].
Laeelin calls [$1].
tahoe89 raises [$6.50].
AA2869 folds.
MUSSO22 raises [$12].
PaintedSkyz folds.
Sm0keyBlntz folds.
C_Bronson folds.
SemiBlupp folds.
daone007 raises [$29].
Laeelin folds.
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tahoe89 calls [$23.50].
>You have options at Table 37039 Table!.
MUSSO22 is all-In [$85]
daone007 is all-In [$58.92]
tahoe89 calls [$67].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qs, 7c, 5d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
daone007 shows [ Ac, Jd ] a pair of jacks.
tahoe89 shows [ Ks, Kc ] a pair of kings.
MUSSO22 doesn't show [ Td, Th ] a pair of tens.
tahoe89 wins $16.16 from side pot #1 with a pair of kings.
tahoe89 wins $267.26 from the main pot with a pair of kings.
MUSSO22 has left the table.

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Old 09-09-2005, 06:29 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Vnh laeelin. Lucky you didnt push pre flop he woulda just folded. Holy crap that table was crazy. Two people all in pre flop with small suited connectors and 1 person calling big raises and MAKING raises with UNSUITED 1 gappers? Incredible. It's like a play m oney hand Nice call.
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Laeelin
Old 09-09-2005, 06:58 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I thought about pushing on the river, but decided that it was -EV

BTW, if I was first to act how do ya'll think I should handle the river?

Check? Raise? How much?

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