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Old 07-30-2008, 12:15 AM     Post subject: couple tough spots today at 100nl #1 (permalink)  
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1st hand is vs a tight player 12/4 over 400 hands, but haven't noticed many of his hands yet, so don't have a good read on him.

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Hero ($114.25)
MP1 ($99)
MP2 ($124.85)
MP3 ($119.20)
CO ($61.85)
Button ($100.35)
SB ($95.65)
BB ($100.75)
UTG ($91.60)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, A.
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 6 folds, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) 9, 4, 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB raises to $15, Hero calls $9.

His checkraise has me thinking he's got an overpair JJ, QQ, KK or nothing.

Turn: ($38.50) 9 (2 players)
BB bets $10, Hero calls $10.

River: ($58.50) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $71.75 (All-In), Hero?

River shove through me off. Why bet 1/4 pot on turn and over shove river?

Hand 2 vs a good regular (regular poster here also) 13/10 over 1300 hands. We've been pretty aggressive against each other lately for some reason. Today we got it in on a Q high flop w/his AQ vs my AA in button vs blind.

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BB ($22.65)
UTG ($53.30)
UTG+1 ($93.85)
MP1 ($98.50)
MP2 ($126.65)
Hero ($117.65)
Button ($111.10)
SB ($30.40)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K.
4 folds, Hero raises to $4, Button calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) T, J, K (2 players)
Hero bets $8, Button calls $8.

Turn: ($25.50) A (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $16, Hero calls $16.

River: ($57.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $40, Hero?

Can he have anything other than a Q here? On the flop for some reason I was thinking I might have coolered him set over set, but can I call the river?
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Old 07-30-2008, 12:38 AM #2 (permalink)  
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hand 1 is such a weird spot and i was actually about to give advice for a river value raise if he checked or bet smallish but this overbet shove is so weird, I guess its possible he called preflop with 9x s etc and its also possible hes turning his 1010,jj into a bluff, yet i think both of these are quite unlikely, specially the overpair scenario. I think its most likely he has quads here, rare as that may be, his line seems to fit that preety well. Guess theres always the chance hes on a crazy bluff but i think i fold anyway.

hand 2: i play the same as you and on the river i fold, aj,a10,j10 and smaller sets i think he checks down on the river plus hes also very unlikely gonna float a flop that smacks your range so hard, plus his bet sizing looks for value rather than a bluff. all the broadways with a q in it definitely make up a large part of his range so id just fold.
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Old 07-30-2008, 01:22 AM #3 (permalink)  
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hand 1: fold. He had you crushed here most of the time
hand 2: I definitely bet on the turn OOP vs this player. As played, i fold on the river
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Old 07-30-2008, 01:41 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 2 is a call.
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 1. I might 3bet the flop or just muck to the c/r, depends what im thinking about him. I probably 3bet a lot here on flop.

2. Bet/fold turn for me. If im in doubt as to how to play a hand id just bet
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Hand 2 is a call.
Call because I gave up the lead? Would you have bet turn instead as well?
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1. I might 3bet the flop or just muck to the c/r, depends what im thinking about him. I probably 3bet a lot here on flop.

2. Bet/fold turn for me. If im in doubt as to how to play a hand id just bet
Ya I think I should have 3 bet the flop. I guess I was trying to get more value from a worse hand. Unfortunately he had 9Ts.
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I'm curious as to why you don't put sets in his range in hand 1 on the flop?
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I'm curious as to why you don't put sets in his range in hand 1 on the flop?
You're right, and on the flop sets are definitely in his range. I did put him strictly on pp's and not on sc's (obv an oversight by me), so on the flop yes any set is possible, then the turn I figure he can only have 44, 66 or overpair, then the river I figure him for only 44 or overpair. I usually just mark the hand while I'm playing and review it later in HEM, so I guess I knew that its very unlikely that he had pp 99 or 66 so that only left 44. Also if he had boat or quads I would expect him to bet the turn harder and the river more for value. But yes during the hand, only seeing the flop, a set is definitely in his range.
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1. I might 3bet the flop or just muck to the c/r, depends what im thinking about him. I probably 3bet a lot here on flop.

2. Bet/fold turn for me. If im in doubt as to how to play a hand id just bet
Ya I think I should have 3 bet the flop. I guess I was trying to get more value from a worse hand. Unfortunately he had 9Ts.
you should, and will IMO, get c/r or donked into a lot on this flop so because most opponents play their hands face up too, just turn your cards up too, thats why id hit the raise button.
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miffed can you rephrase that I'm totally lost.
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miffed can you rephrase that I'm totally lost.
in the hand where he has AA he should 3bet the flop a lot because opponents should be check raising that flop on him a lot when he c-bets, or will be donking it into him.
But they play predictably so will only come over his show of strength to play for stacks when he is way behind
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what is your plan if villain flats our 3bet?
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Call because I gave up the lead? Would you have bet turn instead as well?
Consider the range of hands he would double barrel. Now consider the range of Qx hands you could have on the river. Against capable players this is a crying call with a set.
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what is your plan if villain flats our 3bet?
play for stacks or check behind. it depends (and you know on what)
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