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02-08-2008, 05:05 AM Post subject: Couple of AK hands in tough spots, SOS!!

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Here are some AK hands i played in very difficult situations this week, please help me analyze whats wrong with my play?

Also, i need you guys to figure out WTF my opponents had on the river?

Hand 1: villain is 9.2/8.3/ 5.2( flop AF total) around 320 hands . i figured he really had something good on the flop, so i took passive line.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($98)
UTG ($242.90)
UTG+1 ($25.30)
MP1 ($100.10)
MP2 ($100)
MP3 ($95.50)
CO ($98.50)
Button ($100.85)
Hero ($101.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, K

.
2 folds, MP1 raises to $4, 4 folds, Hero raises to $12, 1 fold, MP1 calls $8.

Flop: ($25) 3

, T

, 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks.

Turn: ($25) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks.

River: ($25) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $12, MP1 raises to $36, Hero ? WTF he had?

hand 2: villain is 8.6/4.3/0 around 163 hands. Should i call and commit myself to the pot?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

SB ($99)
BB ($102.50)
UTG ($108.40)
MP1 ($148)
MP2 ($65.75)
Hero ($97.50)
Button ($59.85)

Preflop: Hero is CO with

.
3 folds, Hero raises to $3, Button calls $3, 2 folds.

Flop: ($7.50)

(2 players)
Hero bets $5, Button calls $5.

Turn: ($17.50)

(2 players)
Hero bets $14, Button raises to $51.85, Hero ? WTF he had?

hand 3: villain is a loose donk 37.5/12.5/3.0 around 25 hands. My AK had showdown value here a whole lot ?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

MP1 ($389.80)
MP2 ($90)
MP3 ($28.85)
CO ($98)
Button ($99.50)
SB ($68.80)
Hero ($95)
UTG ($92.40)
UTG+1 ($116.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with

.
2 folds, MP1 calls $1, MP2 raises to $5, 1 fold, CO calls $5, 1 fold, SB calls $4.50, Hero raises to $17, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, SB calls $12.

Flop: ($45)

(2 players)
SB bets $3, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($51)

(2 players)
SB bets $3, Hero calls $3.

River: ($57)

(2 players)
SB bets $3, Hero ?? WTF he had?

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02-08-2008, 08:13 AM

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#1 Assuming u folded river i play same. How could u figure out what he had when flop went check-check? Depending on his slowplay bluffing tendencies his is something like TT/44/55/air I would guess

#2 Sets are a huge part of his range. Usually I muck here vs nits without thinking twice, ur either wb 55/22 or getting freerolled by AKhh

#3 Absolutely no idea what he could have. his weak ass donkbets dont provide any sort of information. I call him down and am almost never ahead. Folding to 20:1 would be insane tho

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Chopper

02-08-2008, 02:20 PM

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hand one, to me, is puke. where is your cbet in the 3bet pot? where is your turn lead after catching your A? dude prolly had 44 and you let him catch his miracle. if he had a set the whole time, at least you would have found out earlier. i just dont like it. plus, your oop, shouldnt your 3bet be larger?

hand two...i fold to that big of a raise, too. i dont like it, but he has a 0 AF. that says a lot to me on this kind of board...777?

hand three...pay it off, you dont need to be right but once a week to make money here. plus, all the info you get about his horrible line will pay you back more than the $9 you spent post flop. oh, and again with the oop 3bet size...bigger?

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Thnkbtt

02-08-2008, 02:24 PM

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Hand one definitely needs a bet on the turn, and like was already said you need a cbet on the flop.

frosst

02-08-2008, 02:32 PM

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#1 with his stats, i would think he's following the no open-limping rule, and so with just calling your reraise I'd put him on a pp. (this is with the assumption that your stats portray you as an ave. tagg) With his flop af so high, why not bet the turn when you see passivity? Or even c-bet the flop. How many players with VPIP of 9.2 are 1: reraising w/ air and 2: calling a bet w/ a pp that hasn't setted? So, if he reraises, you can concede defeat lol. The way I see his reraise on river, you're either beat or he thinks you're bluffing. But, if you were checking with the assumption you might be beat, why bet the river? If you're beat, he's going to reraise you which just reinforces the fear that you'r beat, regardless if you are. Why not check/call river? If you're willing to bet $12, why not check/call that same $12. Besides, if he has AJ/Q (AJ probably not likely though) the check/call would be better.

#2 non aggressive player (assuming the 0 is total AF) being 3x reraise aggressive= beat by a set

3# If you haven't seen him pre-flop reraise JJ+, then I'd say that's where he's at. I'm not sure how donkified he is, but committing 1/4 of his stack OOP on a pp hoping to set 22-TT seems unlikely

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02-08-2008, 03:02 PM

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hand 1: i checked on the flop coz i really put him on TT+ given his tight stats and image. Not many TA call 3 bet with small pockets or AQ/AJ in my experience. After he showed weakness( possible slowplay) and A came out, i wanted to extract more money from his weak holding at that point in this far WA/WB situation. On the river, i just threw out some blocking bet in case this guy enjoy bluffing me big.

hand 2: he was not even close to 2/3 of full stack . Sometimes, ppl just shove his remaining stack on the turn with top pair plus some drawing hand. Als0, i already put 1/3 of starting effective stack in the pot( isn't it a threshhold commitment?)

hand 3: i have a good read on this guy. he is a huge donk calling off stack with lots of weak holdings and like to donk out with some second pair all the time. $17 3 bet is not big enough to thin the field? All but the donk folded their hands already.Meh, i just played this level for less than one week

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02-08-2008, 03:41 PM

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If someone bets $3 into a $45 pot you have to seriously evaluate your fold equity, because if you have it and don't take it, the hand becomes a huge mistake.

My suggestion is to always raise someone A LOT when they do this unless you know they call or reraise too often. In that case only do it with strong hands. Make it $30 to go this time and see if he wants to play his amazingly weak holding.

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Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

Jimmy Mac

02-08-2008, 03:46 PM

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I think the first hand is OK given the guys tight calling range pre. I probably call the river cos Im a station and he might have AK too lol, but he likely had 44,55 or some sort of tragic slowplay so fold is prob best.

In the second hand I'm not crazy about playing stacks against a player this tight, although I would felt this against most ppl. He isn't going to have AQ very often here imo. I would probably bet a little smaller on the turn and fold to a raise. weak, but I hate paying these guys off.

I 3 bet much bigger in the 3rd hand and calling down is fine given your read. Its annoying when they show you third pair though :/

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02-08-2008, 03:47 PM

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The first one I think you were beating him on the river. I would guess a pocket pair anywhere above the flop and below aces.

The second hand I think is an obvious donk set line, check the flop so you won't know that he hit 555 or 22, or else 777 on the turn, definite fold.

pokerfan

02-10-2008, 03:54 PM

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hand 1: i folded and had no idea what he had but what else can i do?

hand 2: i called his shove and he showed down two pairs( Ad7d )

hand 3: i called down 3 streets and this donk had As 3s trips on the river

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