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Mony B
Old 02-23-2005, 12:01 AM     Post subject: could i have seen this coming? #1 (permalink)  
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*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Game #1255549440: Tournament #5472207, Hold'em No Limit - Level V
(75/150) - 2005/02/22 - 19:51:24 (ET)
Table '5472207 59' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: CROW 74 (7725 in chips)
Seat 2: *MR.LARSSON* (11025 in chips)
Seat 3: usaarmydlr (7310 in chips)
Seat 4: DiamondJohn (12740 in chips)
Seat 5: irhusker (2975 in chips)
Seat 6: A MONSTER (12080 in chips)
Seat 7: sly_coyote (3160 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: Jesse800 (20030 in chips)
Seat 9: Mony B (5935 in chips)
A MONSTER: posts small blind 75
sly_coyote: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mony B [Kc Kh]
Jesse800: calls 150
Mony B: raises 450 to 600
CROW 74: calls 600
*MR.LARSSON*: calls 600
usaarmydlr: folds
DiamondJohn: calls 600
irhusker: folds
A MONSTER: folds
sly_coyote: folds
Jesse800: calls 450
*** FLOP *** [3h 2s 5c]
Jesse800: checks
sly_coyote is connected
Mony B: bets 1000
CROW 74: folds
*MR.LARSSON*: calls 1000
DiamondJohn: folds
Jesse800: calls 1000
*** TURN *** [3h 2s 5c] [2c]
Jesse800: checks
Mony B: bets 4335 and is all-in
*MR.LARSSON*: calls 4335
Jesse800: raises 14095 to 18430 and is all-in
*MR.LARSSON*: calls 5090 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [3h 2s 5c 2c] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jesse800: shows [Ah 4h] (a straight, Ace to Five)
*MR.LARSSON*: shows [Ad 4d] (a straight, Ace to Five)
Jesse800 collected 5090 from side pot
*MR.LARSSON* collected 5090 from side pot
Mony B: shows [Kc Kh] (two pair, Kings and Deuces)
Jesse800 collected 9615 from main pot
*MR.LARSSON* collected 9615 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 29410 Main pot 19230. Side pot 10180. | Rake 0
Board [3h 2s 5c 2c 8c]
Seat 1: CROW 74 folded on the Flop
Seat 2: *MR.LARSSON* showed [Ad 4d] and won (14705) with a straight, Ace to Five
Seat 3: usaarmydlr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: DiamondJohn folded on the Flop
Seat 5: irhusker (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: A MONSTER (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: sly_coyote (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Jesse800 showed [Ah 4h] and won (14705) with a straight, Ace to Five
Seat 9: Mony B showed [Kc Kh] and lost with two pair, Kings and Deuces


I didnt put either of them on a boat here since they would have reraised me preflop with a low pocket pair. So should i have done somthing here or is it just one of thoughs hands and move on?
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Old 02-23-2005, 12:06 AM #2 (permalink)  
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You raised 4xBB preflop which is good. I may have raised alittle more but from what ive read 3-5x is standard.

He hit it on the flop so the only way he wouldve folded is if you pushed preflop.

He shouldnt be calling that kind of raise with A4 anyway and then he just smoothcalled your flop bet so it would be really hard to put him on that.

I dont think you played anything wrong although Im not sure what the best way to play kings with that flop would be. Seems to me you were aggressive enough. You were done on the flop so not much you could really do.
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Old 02-23-2005, 12:46 AM #3 (permalink)  
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No, you can't see that comming. But here's the problem, your opponents had fairly large stacks. You should have had a read on what raise would have chased out the crazies w/ A4. The 600 raise was not respected at all based on all the callers. If they want to get cute, smash them with 1K preflop. Seems to me like you still may have had a caller or 2. AI preflop seems like a waste b/c you want action on that hand, just not as much action as you got.

The table was sitting on stacks from 7K to 20K and you had 5900. Fire away pre-flop.
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Old 02-23-2005, 01:20 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Old 02-25-2005, 05:51 PM     Post subject: Should have considered the possibility #5 (permalink)  

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I beg to differe with the previous posters.

I thought of the wheel possibility while reading thru the hand, but then I knew you got beat, so I am not sure I would have done any better.

You should have considered the possibility that someone called the pre-flop bet with A-4 suited, as that is a good starting hand to see the flop with. A-xs is much higher rated than A-xo since it can form a nut flush. If the flop hits the suit with 2 or more cards, than you can bet on the come with 3:1 chance of getting a nut flush and 7:1 chance of getting the A paired, for a total of almost 2:1 of improving the hand. In addition, there is also that wheel possibility with x<=5, which is what slamed you here.

Betting the A-xo as one person did is not a good idea, but many people do it.

Even taking these factors into consideration, you might have elected to forge ahead anyway, or to try to limp through to the river and wait for another opportunity depending on your strategy at that point.

I wouldn't consider your play ill-advised, but I alwayse kick myself when I get beat by something I didn't see coming.
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