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Old 06-05-2009, 01:53 PM     Post subject: confusing myself CO vs SB #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain is 15/13 with 60% steal from the CO (70% overall) over 50 hands.
I have 25% 3-bet on that table, so I just call.

I was pretty active, so I like my flop raise. But after he 3-bets I'm totally confused what range I'm dealing with... and if he could possibly monkey shove worse to a min 4-bet.
My river bet screams value so I don't really like it. Mostly I was trying to make him tilt-shove-bluff... but that prolly wasn't such a good idea.
He timeout/folded.
I call a timeout/shove. I might fold to to a snap-shove on the river.


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Stacks:
UTG ($100.00)
UTG+1 ($25.45)
MP1 ($195.00)
MP2 ($112.00)
CO ($100.00)
BTN ($30.50)
Hero (SB) ($201.00)
BB ($40.10)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 8 players) Hero is SB
4 folds, CO raises to $3.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $3, 1 fold

Flop: ($8, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $5, Hero raises to $14, CO raises to $30, Hero calls $16

Turn: ($68, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($68, 2 players)
Hero bets $25, CO folds

Final Pot: $68
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Hero wins $90 ( won +$31.50 )
CO lost -$33.50
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Old 06-05-2009, 02:01 PM #2 (permalink)  
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i probably fold to his flop 4 bet.
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Old 06-05-2009, 02:06 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 I'm trying to induce a float or 3b, so I'm not folding. Maybe I'm completely off here.
I was hoping if he'd 3b he'd make it bigger so it's easier to either get him to shove the turn, or get it in by the river in some way.

I should have said I'm running like 25/20 over 50 hands on that table, and he's been on my right all that time. + insane 3-bet%
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i probably fold to his flop 4 bet.
he only 3b it
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Old 06-06-2009, 03:42 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Start with fold or raise preflop.
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Old 06-06-2009, 07:03 AM #6 (permalink)  
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i probably fold to his flop 3 bet.
wat? I pump my fist when I'm 3-bet on this board by mediorce poker players (particualary online in a steal spot.)
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Start with fold or raise preflop.
pre-flop is fine.
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Old 06-06-2009, 02:48 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Start with fold or raise preflop.
pre-flop is fine.
how are you going to show a profit calling here? You basically have to sometimes be willing to make a move on the flop because you're not going to hit any flops other than when you flop a flush draw or an ace which is like 20%? Even then you just have an OK hand, not great

so you need to steal the pot a large % of the time post-flop OOP

I'd rather 3b... and if the guy is aggressively 4bing it makes for a good 5b shove hand
I see 4b/fold at NL100 6m a lot which has to be a leak considering how goddamn good your odds are to call PF
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Old 06-09-2009, 11:51 PM #9 (permalink)  

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SB is complecated position.
I deslike play this position with less a pocket par 8-8 our AQ AK.
A2 whit a 3.5 rase, i fair.
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