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Pants_101
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08-22-2006, 07:35 PM
Post subject: Confused again top pair with weak kicker
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Nottingham UK
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Once again I'm not sure what to do on the flop and end up check raising. After that gets called I'm not sure what I'm facing. Any pointers?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
UTG+1 ($1.91)
MP1 ($5.07)
MP2 ($8.50)
MP3 ($0.56)
CO ($4.96)
Button ($2.46)
Hero ($7.09)
BB ($4.86)
UTG ($1.96)
Preflop: Hero is SB with A , 4 .
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.02, MP3 calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.
Flop: ($0.08) 9 , A, J (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP2 bets $0.02, MP3 folds, Hero raises to $0.08, BB folds, MP2 calls $0.06.
Turn: ($0.24) J (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks.
River: ($0.24) K (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.1, Hero calls $0.10.
Final Pot: $0.44
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freechus9
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Fold preflop so you dont have to get into situations like these. You need a read in marginal situations, and this is VERY marginal. As played, check/fold that flop. If someone else has an ace, you are beaten.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by freechus9
As played, check/fold that flop.
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*shakes head*
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CrunchyNuts
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Why complete there when hitting the best part of your hand makes you uncomfortable?
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by CrunchyNuts
Why complete there when hitting the best part of your hand makes you uncomfortable?
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He's getting 7:1 on his money 
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DaNutsInYoEye
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Originally Posted by CrunchyNuts
Why complete there when hitting the best part of your hand makes you uncomfortable?
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It doesn't make you uncomfortable until you get played back at. I complete this all day long.
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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CrunchyNuts
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Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye
It doesn't make you uncomfortable until you get played back at. I complete this all day long.
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In the hand, the hero was never played back at, yet he was still uncomfortable. Given that's the case, I believe he, personally, has no buisness completing A40. You are a different person.
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martindcx1e
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why complete this hand regularly? is it just to raise your VPIP? you'll never flop a SD or FD, and you won't make much money by pairing either card. all you can really hope for is trip 4's or 2-pairs that you hope aren't crushed.
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Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
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Pants_101
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Ok so some disagreement about completing with this hand. I should point out I am new to cash games. On the flop his bet seemed weak and it was a drawy board, what do you think of the check raise? It wasn't my actual intention I checked to see what others would do then decided to raise the weak bet. On the turn the jack made me wonder but in hindsight how often does he have a jack here? I think not often but perhaps you think otherwise? If I played it again I would bet the turn, but then I know now what he had 
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Cocco_Bill
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by CrunchyNuts
Why complete there when hitting the best part of your hand makes you uncomfortable?
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He's getting 7:1 on his money |
I always complete the SB in this spot and I am pretty sure its not a leak.
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bair
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Originally Posted by Pants_101
It wasn't my actual intention I checked to see what others would do then decided to raise the weak bet.
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usually you should check-raise only when you planned on check-raising. doing it just because you see a weak bet is extremely exploitable, if i sense weakness and i already checked then typically i will take it away on a later street. 1, because its more believable and 2, you win more by taking it on a later street because he might make another weak ass bet. the only time i ever check-raise when it wasnt my first intention is when there is a good hand that is perfectly represented by my play thus far. and completing here is most definitely not a leak, nor is not completing. there is no obvious expected value here, it depends on table dynamics whether it is positive or negative.
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