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Werddown
Old 12-17-2005, 02:42 PM     Post subject: Completely Lost. #1 (permalink)  
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PokerStars Game #3357361150: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2005/12/17 - 10:33:39 (ET)
Table 'Belinda' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: elgeneral ($17.60 in chips)
Seat 2: EVILROB ($13.75 in chips)
Seat 3: tony buffony ($4.30 in chips)
Seat 4: sonik1313 ($5.70 in chips)
Seat 6: The72o ($9.85 in chips)
Seat 7: Werddown ($10.80 in chips)
Seat 8: big_joe65 ($2.90 in chips)
Seat 9: iamjeffrey ($11.20 in chips)
The72o: posts small blind $0.05
Werddown: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Werddown [As Kc]
big_joe65: calls $0.10
iamjeffrey: calls $0.10
elgeneral: folds
EVILROB: raises $0.10 to $0.20
tony buffony: folds
sonik1313: calls $0.20
The72o: calls $0.15
Werddown: raises $0.60 to $0.80
big_joe65: folds
iamjeffrey: folds
EVILROB: folds
sonik1313: folds
The72o: calls $0.60
*** FLOP *** [3h 9h 4c]
The72o: checks
Werddown: bets $2
The72o: calls $2
*** TURN *** [3h 9h 4c] [Tc]
zava887 joins the table at seat #5
The72o: checks
Werddown: bets $4
The72o: raises $3.05 to $7.05 and is all-in
Werddown: folds
The72o collected $13.55 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $14.20 | Rake $0.65
Board [3h 9h 4c Tc]
Seat 1: elgeneral folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: EVILROB folded before Flop
Seat 3: tony buffony folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: sonik1313 (button) folded before Flop
Seat 6: The72o (small blind) collected ($13.55)
Seat 7: Werddown (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 8: big_joe65 folded before Flop
Seat 9: iamjeffrey folded before Flop


Yeah I got absolutely no idea what this guy might have had. Im thinking aces or kings. I know I have overcards here and its only $4 more to call on that large of a pot, but I just cant see how catching either an A or a K would put me ahead here. I think he called with a PP and hit a set, or had Aces / Kings. Maybe he had Queens / Jacks and the call would have been warranted.

I dont know I'm lost. What do you think?
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Old 12-17-2005, 02:54 PM #2 (permalink)  
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If my opponents are giving too much post-flop action, I call pre-flop.

If I re-raised pre-flop and c-bet, then I would probably check the turn behind.
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Old 12-17-2005, 04:56 PM #3 (permalink)  
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If my opponents are giving too much post-flop action, I call pre-flop.

If I re-raised pre-flop and c-bet, then I would probably check the turn behind.
I ran into a similar situation and just checked behind.

PokerStars Game #3358160949: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2005/12/17 - 12:50:00 (ET)
Table 'Floirac' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: JD-RDOG ($5.40 in chips)
Seat 2: primeslicer ($1.35 in chips)
Seat 3: Werddown ($10 in chips)
Seat 4: Badperson ($10.30 in chips)
Seat 5: tr4426 ($6.35 in chips)
Seat 6: thejinx1 ($15.80 in chips)
Seat 7: flange77 ($7.25 in chips)
Seat 8: derstev ($3.75 in chips)
Seat 9: AQQQA ($22.60 in chips)
thejinx1: posts small blind $0.05
flange77: posts big blind $0.10
Werddown: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Werddown [Jh Ad]
derstev: calls $0.10
AQQQA: folds
JD-RDOG: calls $0.10
primeslicer: folds
Werddown: raises $0.40 to $0.50
Badperson: folds
tr4426: folds
tr4426 leaves the table
thejinx1: folds
flange77: calls $0.40
derstev: calls $0.40
JD-RDOG: folds
*** FLOP *** [Js Ks 7c]
flange77: checks
derstev: checks
Werddown: bets $1
flange77: folds
derstev: calls $1
*** TURN *** [Js Ks 7c] [6c]
derstev: checks
Werddown: checks
*** RIVER *** [Js Ks 7c 6c] [Qh]
derstev: bets $2.25 and is all-in
Pentiboy joins the table at seat #5
Werddown: folds
derstev collected $3.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***


He showed high card king. 87 off.

It was the very first hand so I know he didnt have a read on me.

Should I have bet more on the flop? Did I just get unlucky with some donk calling me off with bottom pair?
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Old 12-17-2005, 08:31 PM #4 (permalink)  
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In the first hand, I think your flop bet was a little large. After you got called you need to shut down because it's fairly obvious he isn't going anywhere.

Second hand, I don't like the raise with the AJ in EP at a full table. It is a trap hand and I frequently fold it from early position, sometimes even from middle position if the table has been loose. KQ is the same kind of hand, I generally am very cautious playing that hand I don't like to call any raises with it unless it's a button or CO raise. At the level you are playing at, there's no reason to bet that flop. If somebody has a king you're playing catch up, and even if somebody calls with bottom pair you can't be confident your hand is any good. You are building a big pot without much of a hand against a table full of calling stations, don't bother. You don't have to bet out on every flop you raised pre-flop either, I like to keep the pot small and try and see a cheap showdown in this type of situation.
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