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Turska
Old 06-13-2006, 06:06 AM     Post subject: Comments needed #1 (permalink)  
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I dont have a HH but I remember this pretty well.

Game is 25 NL.

Read on villain is major calling station / maniac raiser. Has
called lots of pots with very marginal holdings. Villain has
40 stack.

Hero has 65 stack.

Hero (UTG) is dealt AA.

Hero bets 6xBB 1.5 dollars.

WTF, MP2,MP3 calls.
Villain Button calls.

Pot 6 dollars.
Flop: 4h-Kd-6s.

Hero bets 2/3 pot 4 dollars to feel out.

Mp2,Mp3 folds (good i worried about them most)
Villain calls. At this point I put him on K,X. I was
not really worried. KK is out of question he would have raised
big preflop, AK is possible or small pockets.

Turn: 6h

I considered this to be good card for me. Pot is 14 dollars
and I make my first mistake because I think Im ahead
like 10-1. I bet just 5 dollars.

Villain calls.

River: 4c

Uh, board looks quite bad this moment. I can beat any other
hands but those with 6s and 4s. I decide to check.

Villain bets 25 dollars. I know he is capable putting me allin
with any two cards on river.

Hero?
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Tafi
Old 06-13-2006, 07:25 AM #2 (permalink)  

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I really can't believe that the four would have helped his hand unless he had something like K4. Or was he enough of a calling station to call down with a lone four?

What we're really worried about here is the 6 in my oppinion. You do have a read on him saying that he's capable of doing this with just about anything so I think a call is the right thing here since you checked the river (kind of induce a bluff).

I think you should have bet pot on the flop with all those guys in there. On the turn you know you bet too small, about 12 should be better.
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Turska
Old 06-14-2006, 05:22 AM     Post subject: villain #3 (permalink)  
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I ended up calling because I thought probability of bluff, Kx or smaller
pockets was 50%.

Villain had Js4s.

He called 6xBB preflop

and 2/3 pot with bottom pair after flop.
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Old 06-14-2006, 07:38 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 The preflop call isn't that horrible with the pot odds villain is getting.
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Old 06-14-2006, 09:19 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Quote:
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The preflop call isn't that horrible with the pot odds villain is getting.
1) While it's in largely irrelevant, villain doesn't have 'correct' pot odds to call with J4s here.

2) F A R more important is implied odds in this case, and by implied odds, I obviously am referring to the horrible post-flop playability and reverse implied odds of J4s.

3) Both of these are somewhat negated by position and playing better then your opponents after the flop. It's still pretty much always a -EV call though, IMO. The game would have to be something special for it not to be. More times then not, we're going to be playing without cards pretty much.


Turska,

If you really think we're almost always ahead on the turn, I think you should make it about $10 here. I think the river is played ok, particularly against the opponent you described.
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Old 06-14-2006, 10:05 AM     Post subject: Thanks #6 (permalink)  
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yes, after analyzing my play my mistake was not betting
enough at turn. I should have betted the about whole pot
14 dollars. Maybe villain would have folded there put me on
KK for example.

Problem was I had strong read I am ahead ( which was correct
I was 95%/5% lead sigh Still I should have betted stronger.

What's interesting that there are still player who are willing to
play for stacks with J4 suited. I think its nice for the long run

T.
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