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mcpeepants
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03-26-2005, 06:03 PM
Post subject: coming over the top of my AA...
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What do you do on the flop if you make a 2/3 or pot sized bet and somebody comes over the top of you (and you have no read on them)? Do you immediately fold if you only have an overpair and no draws? Wouldn't it then be beneficial to come over the top of tight-aggressive players on the flop if they bet the pot, since they more than likely do NOT have 2 pair or trips? I have no idea. I had trouble letting my AA go. When he came over the top I thought I was beat but couldn't let it go until the turn when I bet fairly weakly to see if he would come over the top of me and lo and behold he did.
Also, the hand history messed up and I couldn't get it to format the turn so I just typed it in.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) converter
MP2 ($2)
CO ($5.60)
Button ($3.55)
SB ($4.40)
Hero ($12.65)
UTG ($5.55)
MP1 ($10.20)
Preflop: Hero is BB with A , A .
UTG calls $0.10, MP1 calls $0.10, 4 folds, Hero raises to $0.5, UTG folds, MP1 calls $0.40.
Flop: ($1.15) 5 , J , K (2 players)
Hero bets $0.8, MP1 raises to $3, Hero calls $2.20.
Turn: ($7.15) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.00. MP1 raises 4.50 to 6.50 and is all in. Hero folds.
Final Pot: $9.15
Results in white below:
Hero doesn't show.
MP1 doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins $3.57. MP1 wins $3.57.
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Fnord
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I would push on that flop.
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mcpeepants
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Not worried about KJ, JJ, or 55? Why would somebody just come over the top like that on the flop AND the turn with TPTK?
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Fnord
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Then fold on the flop. Your line is horrible.
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mcpeepants
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Fair enough.
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wobbler
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I agree with Fnord: when he raises you on the flop decide whether you have the best hand or not, and either push all in or fold. Normally I think you'd be beat here so folding would be the better alternative.
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Cocco_Bill
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Most probable hand he would have here is AK, if he called your raise with KJ then he is a poor player, JJ and 55 is a possibility. Anyhow I would push the flop after his raise here. If you keep thinking that the only caller to your pre flop raise hits a set every time he shows some aggression, then you won't be winning many big pots with those pocket aces..
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poskid_1982
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6-handed...I aint scared of nothin' with AA (except maybe your weak preflop bet) PUSH
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Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
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Fnord
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Nothing scares me...
I just bet over $300 on AK htting a King on a KJx 2 suited board and won a nearly $750 pot.
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ilikeaces86
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Nothing scares me...
I just bet over $300 on AK htting a King on a KJx 2 suited board and won a nearly $750 pot.
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Who are you and what have you done with Fnord?!?
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wobbler
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Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
Most probable hand he would have here is AK, if he called your raise with KJ then he is a poor player, JJ and 55 is a possibility. Anyhow I would push the flop after his raise here. If you keep thinking that the only caller to your pre flop raise hits a set every time he shows some aggression, then you won't be winning many big pots with those pocket aces..
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I'm not winning big pots with AA or KK. Over the last 3k hands I've had AA/KK 31 times, 23 times I have won without showing(almost all on the flop), won 1 time in a showdown, lost 3 times (only smallish pots), and folded 4 times (once on the turn). Preflop I'll raise a standard 4x and on the flop I'll bet the pot unless it looks very dangerous.
Isn't it reasonable to assume that I was beat on the flop those few times I got reraised? that if I had pushed all-in I would have lost my stack more often than I would have doubled up?
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Cocco_Bill
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Originally Posted by wobbler
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Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
Most probable hand he would have here is AK, if he called your raise with KJ then he is a poor player, JJ and 55 is a possibility. Anyhow I would push the flop after his raise here. If you keep thinking that the only caller to your pre flop raise hits a set every time he shows some aggression, then you won't be winning many big pots with those pocket aces..
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I'm not winning big pots with AA or KK. Over the last 3k hands I've had AA/KK 31 times, 23 times I have won without showing(almost all on the flop), won 1 time in a showdown, lost 3 times (only smallish pots), and folded 4 times (once on the turn). Preflop I'll raise a standard 4x and on the flop I'll bet the pot unless it looks very dangerous.
Isn't it reasonable to assume that I was beat on the flop those few times I got reraised? that if I had pushed all-in I would have lost my stack more often than I would have doubled up? |
Just make sure you are letting those QQ KK AK hands pay your aces off. Those numbers look unfortunate, I don't know if its bad luck, but 4 showdowns out of 31 with 1 won seems terrible.
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wobbler
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Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
Just make sure you are letting those QQ KK AK hands pay your aces off. Those numbers look unfortunate, I don't know if its bad luck, but 4 showdowns out of 31 with 1 won seems terrible.
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Yes. I think the tables I play at might be too tight as well: average # people seeing the flop was 37%. I don't know what people consider a normal or loose table though.
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Cocco_Bill
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Originally Posted by wobbler
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Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
Just make sure you are letting those QQ KK AK hands pay your aces off. Those numbers look unfortunate, I don't know if its bad luck, but 4 showdowns out of 31 with 1 won seems terrible.
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Yes. I think the tables I play at might be too tight as well: average # people seeing the flop was 37%. I don't know what people consider a normal or loose table though. |
Just curious, what tables do you play on?
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wobbler
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Ultimate Bet $25 and $50 NL
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poskid_1982
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When you think about it 37% is pretty loose...Not extreme but decent. Most tables have 1-2 fairly tight players who see the flop 15-25%. I personally prefer tables that are 30-40% but a high pot value.
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Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
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