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BankItDrew
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09-18-2008, 04:08 AM
Post subject: Check Fold AA on flop?
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Villain is a reg...no stats
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB ($34.20)
Hero (BB) ($219.30)
UTG ($200.80)
MP1 ($194.40)
MP2 ($325.95)
CO ($60.15)
Button ($260.75)
Preflop: Hero is BB with A , A
4 folds, Button raises to $8, 1 fold, Hero raises to $26, Button raises to $66, Hero calls $40
Flop: ($133) K, Q, J (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $76,
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mcatdog
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If you're folding now then preflop is horrible, and if preflop makes sense then folding now is horrible.
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Fnord
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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
21,780 games 0.005 secs 4,356,000 games/sec
Board: Kh Qh Jc
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.841% 39.23% 04.61% 8545 1003.50 { TT+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 56.159% 51.55% 04.61% 11228 1003.50 { AcAh }
Close your eyes and go all-in.
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littleogre
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I don't play nearly as high as the op but i would be scared of a set of kings or queens on that flop. Then again at micro nl people never 3 or 4 bet unless they have QQ+ . Also i would have just shoved preflop. Just out if curiosity what hands do people 3 and 4 bet with once you get past 100nl ?
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daven
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Originally Posted by littleogre
Just out if curiosity what hands do people 3 and 4 bet with once you get past 100nl ?
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people bet situations as well as hands.... atc sometimes
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bigspenda73
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Yea I'm all-in PF
and on the frop tooo
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Renton
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preflop sucks and postflop is an obvious check shove
would you honestly flat any other hand than AA/KK in this spot pre, and be honest
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BankItDrew
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Originally Posted by Renton
would you honestly flat any other hand than AA/KK in this spot pre, and be honest
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Obviously not. Why?
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Fnord
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The 4-bet flat makes it very easy to put you on a range.
You're probably better off just shoving and getting AK/QQ/JJ to crying call looking to flip.
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Renton
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if are you asking me "why is it not ok to put myself in a situation where if my opponent is even remotely competent at hand-reading he can put me squarely on one hand?" then im not sure i can help you.
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BankItDrew
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and this is why i love u guys, thx for the advice
btw i shoved and hit a ten vs QQ
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Close your eyes and go all-in.
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Exactly my thoughts. i also did exactly this at a table with drew yesterday
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The_OG_Rocco
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Flop;      
Hero; "I'm all in!" 
Villain; "I Call" 
 
   
vs
Flop;
Turn;   
River;  
Ace High Straight! Hero wins!!   :P
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IowaSkinsFan
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Preflop is just so fucking stupid.
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triumphant cracker
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well for me...every time i raise with AA i fuckin bust out... i hate those cards. now i just throw em away. i dont care what anyone says. they suck for me.
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Deanglow
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Originally Posted by triumphant cracker
well for me...every time i raise with AA i fuckin bust out... i hate those cards. now i just throw em away. i dont care what anyone says. they suck for me.
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translation: poker will always be profitable
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nutsinho
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fnord: TT/AK don't/shouldn't bet here, we shove because we think he very often has like 65s or A8o and somehow doesn't give up when his 4bet is called ,which is why we called preflop I HOPE. If we did it because we think he 4bet-folds like JJ-QQ preflop, then shove A4s pre , laugh at him for being terrible, and fold AA on this flop ffs.
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AFchung
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what the heck happened PF? just shove it in over him
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triumphant cracker
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
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Originally Posted by triumphant cracker
well for me...every time i raise with AA i fuckin bust out... i hate those cards. now i just throw em away. i dont care what anyone says. they suck for me.
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translation: poker will always be profitable to whoever is playing against the cracker |
fyp.
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by triumphant cracker
well for me...every time i raise with AA i fuckin bust out... i hate those cards. now i just throw em away. i dont care what anyone says. they suck for me.
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If you were serious, which I doubt you are, then I suggest you start having sex as often as possible to repopulate our fish.
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wakeup
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woah, didnt think we had that much equity versus his range 
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triumphant cracker
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by triumphant cracker
well for me...every time i raise with AA i fuckin bust out... i hate those cards. now i just throw em away. i dont care what anyone says. they suck for me.
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If you were serious, which I doubt you are, then I suggest you start having sex as often as possible to repopulate our fish. |
her tubes are tied... so maybe ill have to start elsewhere.
anyone wanna lend me their girlfriend?
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