Originally Posted by Lodogg

Lodogg :
Limps from UTG
4 other limpers jump in
Flops comes:

What's your move?

1.) Raise to take away drawing odds, but risk walking into a made hand?
2.) Check/Call and hope to catch a boat?
3.) Raise Preflop in order to avoid these kind of situations?

Originally Posted by jackvance

Let's say the pot is $100. Your opp has a made flush, as in the above example, and raises $80. Here you have to invest $80 into a $260 pot, or roughly 30% to call. So pot odds justify it. Ofcourse, there's always the eternal question of "but I have to pay a turn raise too if I don't hit on the turn" vs "implied odds when I hit".

Originally Posted by sejje

I think you mean your opponent bets $80. So you're investing $80 to win a $180 pot.

You can't count your money in the pot before you put it in there.

Originally Posted by Pelion

Sejje is comparing pot odds to odds of making a hand and seeing which is greater.

Originally Posted by jackvance

Ugh, please not again..

If you want to calculate your % for pot odd calculation, you have to count your input vs what the pot will be if you would make the call.

Otherwise in a $1000 raise on a $10 pot you'd need $1000 into $1010 or 99% to win to call. Obviously everything over 50% is a good call, so you need to calculate $1000 into a $2010 pot or 48%. Which would make intuitive sense.

Originally Posted by nutsinho

No.
Pot is 100 on the flop you and your opponent each have 200$

flop is Qh 8s 7s , your opponent open pushes and flips over AdQd, you have 2s3s.

Should you call? No. You are getting 3:2 necessitating 40% equity not 5:2 where you need only 29%

Originally Posted by jackvance

Ehm, $200 into a $500 pot, the way I calculate it, *is* 40%, not 29%.

200/500=0.4=40%.

Originally Posted by sejje

That's what he said. In the example, when you call 200 off to win 300 in the pot, that's 3:2, 40%. Calling with the flush draw is wrong here.

Your example requires 500 already in the pot to call with a draw that hits over 29% of the time.