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Old 05-14-2007, 04:20 AM     Post subject: Can you fold this set on the flop? #1 (permalink)  
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Stage #656319702: Holdem No Limit $0.50 - 2007-05-14 00:12:55 (ET)
Table: LIBRA WAY (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 4 - WE3ZIE ($103.95 in chips)
Seat 5 - LUCKYFISHY ($72.52 in chips)
Seat 6 - FLAIRDEVIL ($21.05 in chips)
Seat 7 - DOUBLE SL ($29.70 in chips)
Seat 8 - GRYGHEN ($64.30 in chips)
Seat 9 - CRAIGLS ($75.20 in chips)
Seat 1 - KIETLE2008 ($8.20 in chips)
Seat 2 - STUNNYG525 ($52.70 in chips)
LUCKYFISHY - Posts small blind $0.25
FLAIRDEVIL - Posts big blind $0.50
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to WE3ZIE [5d 5c]
DOUBLE SL - Folds
GRYGHEN - Folds
CRAIGLS - Calls $0.50
KIETLE2008 - Folds
STUNNYG525 - Raises $1.75 to $1.75
WE3ZIE - Calls $1.75
LUCKYFISHY - Folds
FLAIRDEVIL - Calls $1.25
CRAIGLS - Calls $1.25
*** FLOP *** [4c 5s Qd]
FLAIRDEVIL - Checks
CRAIGLS - Checks
STUNNYG525 - Checks
WE3ZIE - Bets $1.50
FLAIRDEVIL - Folds
CRAIGLS - Folds
STUNNYG525 - Raises $3.50 to $3.50
WE3ZIE - Raises $6.50 to $8
STUNNYG525 - Raises $20 to $23.50


Alright, so i don't have any reads on this guy from earlier but this is screaming QQ, can I fold this?
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Old 05-14-2007, 05:00 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 05-14-2007, 05:25 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I am never folding this on the flop. Can you say for sure that opp would never play AA, KK, AQ, KQ or 44 like this?
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Old 05-14-2007, 08:10 AM #4 (permalink)  
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No, no, for the love of god no. You want to be all-in here. If he has a higher set, reload. If you start convincing yourself you know when to fold sets to over sets you are going to make the dumbest laydowns in history and get bluffed off monsters. Folding here so so so so -EV
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Old 05-14-2007, 05:52 PM #5 (permalink)  
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LOL. One hand beats you, and it's likely this hand doesn't jam the flop. Stack off.
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Old 05-14-2007, 06:59 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 effectivly 100bbs deep you dont fold sets without a possible flush/straight draw being on.
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Old 05-14-2007, 09:38 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Is folding sets the cool thing to do? I would think it would not be -ev if you never folded a set at the lower limits on the flop.
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Old 05-14-2007, 09:47 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Yeah I understand you shouldn't fold sets on the flop but is it just me or is it reaalllly obvious he has QQ? He wouldn't c/r with AQ or KQ, he would have bet more with AA or KK preflop and wouldn't c/r that either. I mean I was about 75% certain he would flip over QQ when I pushed and he did. 20/20 hindsight maybe but I just couldn't bring myself to fold.
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