Originally Posted by bdawg56kg

You played it fine. Folding to the all-in is absurd once you have put so much in the pot. You got 1/3 of his stack in preflop, so if he has QQ, then his call is very -EV, and if he has AA, you are going broke either way.

Originally Posted by Genitruc

Yeah did quick calculation after hand and realized that if he had QQ it was horrible call unless he thought my range included JJ and AK.

Originally Posted by Genitruc

I laid down JJ preflop to him a few hands ago (bad odds to hit set) and let him know...

Originally Posted by strawman

Where would he get that idea?

Taking this into consideration maybe he does have Aces and thought you would fold to a reraise. I still put him on Queens though.

Originally Posted by Werddown

I think your flop bet was fine... you have to take a shot at it in case he has something like AKs or a smaller pocket pair like 10s or Js... Cant give him a free chance to hit a set or an ace.

Once he check-raises that flop its almost certain he has AA or QQ.

The pot is ~210... you have to call a 33,65 bet. Let's assume there is no possible way that you're ahead.

You're getting approximately 6.2 to 1 and have 2 outs of the remaining 47 cards that will allow you to make a set win the hand. You have no chance of a backdoor flush or straight. That means you need to be getting close to 22 to 1 pot odds to make this call, IF you're absolutely sure you are behind. You have no implied odds since he's already all-in with his bet.

Why do people usually say "You HAVE to call this bet because you've already invested so much!" ... I dont understand why if you're sure you're behind and you're not getting correct odds that you have to call the bet anyways. Why can't you fold? If you were unsure if you were behind or ahead then I can see why you would need to call, but in a situation like this, where theres almost zero chance you're ahead... Why do you have to call it? This is all assuming he's a solid player and knows what your preflop raises mean... If this was a random average player he could have a wider range and be making a really stupid play...

I dont see what hands he could possibly have that you'd be ahead of, especially with your read that you havent seen anything donkish from him so far.... AQ? I dont think AQ re-raises you and then just flat calls when you come back over the top of him, unless he's a really poor player.

Is the idea that you just call off the rest of your chips because you have a really small chance of sucking out? (a much smaller percentage than the amount of money youd have to invest compared to the amount you'd win if you hit)

Preflop was fine, and your flop bet was fine. I just dont think its neccessary to call for the rest of his stack once he makes that check raise.

I'd like to hear thoughts on this because it seems like the general consensus is that you have to call that last bet.. I'd like to hear some more in depth reasoning as to why its correct to make that last call for the extra 33,65 even when you know you're behind so that I can gain a better understanding.

Originally Posted by Werddown

I think your flop bet was fine... you have to take a shot at it in case he has something like AKs or a smaller pocket pair like 10s or Js... Cant give him a free chance to hit a set or an ace.

Once he check-raises that flop its almost certain he has AA or QQ.

The pot is ~210... you have to call a 33,65 bet. Let's assume there is no possible way that you're ahead.

You're getting approximately 6.2 to 1 and have 2 outs of the remaining 47 cards that will allow you to make a set win the hand. You have no chance of a backdoor flush or straight. That means you need to be getting close to 22 to 1 pot odds to make this call, IF you're absolutely sure you are behind. You have no implied odds since he's already all-in with his bet.

Why do people usually say "You HAVE to call this bet because you've already invested so much!" ... I dont understand why if you're sure you're behind and you're not getting correct odds that you have to call the bet anyways. Why can't you fold? If you were unsure if you were behind or ahead then I can see why you would need to call, but in a situation like this, where theres almost zero chance you're ahead... Why do you have to call it? This is all assuming he's a solid player and knows what your preflop raises mean... If this was a random average player he could have a wider range and be making a really stupid play...

I dont see what hands he could possibly have that you'd be ahead of, especially with your read that you havent seen anything donkish from him so far.... AQ? I dont think AQ re-raises you and then just flat calls when you come back over the top of him, unless he's a really poor player.

Is the idea that you just call off the rest of your chips because you have a really small chance of sucking out? (a much smaller percentage than the amount of money youd have to invest compared to the amount you'd win if you hit)

Preflop was fine, and your flop bet was fine. I just dont think its neccessary to call for the rest of his stack once he makes that check raise.

I'd like to hear thoughts on this because it seems like the general consensus is that you have to call that last bet.. I'd like to hear some more in depth reasoning as to why its correct to make that last call for the extra 33,65 even when you know you're behind so that I can gain a better understanding.