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Hate
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11-01-2006, 01:04 AM
Post subject: Call or fold (knowing opponent's cards)?
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1/2$ NL at B&M stuck 600$ for the night plus another 100$ which were on the table.
4 handed, stack of 250$ in front, live straddle 4$, KK in UTG, raise to 20$ (with 2 arabs at the table and another romanian). both arabs call (one obv from the blind, the other with position on me), flop comes TJ7 rainbow, blind checks, i bet pot, arab#2 all-in for a further 200$. He tells me that for 20$ he'll show me both his cards. Obv i say that if i do and elect to call if i have him beat it wouldn't be very nice, he says he's okay with it. Being stuck 600$ + another 600$ in 2 days i fuck all ettiquette and agree.
He shows TJo, the other guy folds 97o face up obv thinking i wouldn't call.
So, pot was 9.5million (our currency, easier without the conversion), i have to call 3.5 more. So as a 3-1 dog (on the spot and on twodimes when i got home) getting ALMOST 3-1 odds on a pot that would leave me only 200$ (out of 700$) stuck, would you call?
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WHO YA GONNA CALL?!??
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If you always knew your opponents cards this game would be easy wouldn't it? Your question is silly.
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why is it silly? it's a psychological question more so than it is related to poker i guess. but why silly?
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ummmm obviously fold because calling is -ev? by making the call you lose money, whether you win the pot or not. fold.
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11-01-2006, 02:04 AM
Post subject: Re: Call or fold (knowing opponent's cards)?
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Originally Posted by Hate
1/2$ NL at B&M stuck 600$ for the night plus another 100$ which were on the table.
4 handed, stack of 250$ in front, live straddle 4$, KK in UTG, raise to 20$ (with 2 arabs at the table and another romanian). both arabs call (one obv from the blind, the other with position on me), flop comes TJ7 rainbow, blind checks, i bet pot, arab#2 all-in for a further 200$. He tells me that for 20$ he'll show me both his cards. Obv i say that if i do and elect to call if i have him beat it wouldn't be very nice, he says he's okay with it. Being stuck 600$ + another 600$ in 2 days i fuck all ettiquette and agree.
He shows TJo, the other guy folds 97o face up obv thinking i wouldn't call.
So, pot was 9.5million (our currency, easier without the conversion), i have to call 3.5 more. So as a 3-1 dog (on the spot and on twodimes when i got home) getting ALMOST 3-1 odds on a pot that would leave me only 200$ (out of 700$) stuck, would you call?
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It sounds like your trying to make some of your decisions based on how well you have been running, how much you've lost in the last few days, etc. Don't do this! It is a telltale sign of a bad gambler. Make your decisions solely based on good poker play.
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givememyleg
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Originally Posted by Hate
why is it silly? it's a psychological question more so than it is related to poker i guess. but why silly?
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There is no psychological problem here. You are in a situation which is 100% math based because villian very stupidly showed you his hand. You figured out it is wrong to call, then asked if you should. That is why.
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Are you showing him your cards? If not then, if you said you were going to call if you had him beat, call ( because he's thinking you know you have him beat) then bet big on the next street and try to take down the pot? Or betting that you will do this (metagame?)
I think this could turn out to be a psychological question if you think about it.
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O shit, edit. I did not see the arab bet all in. Since thats the case all the psychological stuff I just said can be thrown out. And, like giveme said, its just math- so folding is right.
Woops. 
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ummmm obviously fold because calling is -ev? by making the call you lose money, whether you win the pot or not. fold.
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I disagree. If he makes the call and wins the pot, he makes a lot of money.
Hate, this question is entirely dependant on how good you are at hitting offsuit 7's in this spot. Spiking a king would also work, albeit not quite as cool in this particular hand.
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