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Old 08-14-2010, 08:18 AM     Post subject: c-r, bluff, bluff... #1 (permalink)  
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 ok, villain is reggish, probably hasn't seen me triple as bluff. He's weak-tightish, but somewhat station on small streets. He's 12-10 ish with 80% cbet and 25% steal,he's 63% W$WSD so he knows how to fold rivers. 3-betting pre is an option, and probably a good one, folding isn't awful either.
I am kinda uncertain on all streets, but, ya know, what's a bluff between regs.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 10
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Flop: ($3.25) J, 3, 5 (2 players)
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Turn: ($18.25) 5 (2 players)
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River: ($44.25) K (2 players)
Hero bets $32.20 (All-In)
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Old 08-15-2010, 10:45 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Don't like it sorry.

Flop is meh. I would rather c/c because we have a lot of mid-strength hands in out range and we can very credibly represent a lot of them with a small value bet on the river when the turn checks through.

The turn is definitely a bad card to continue on and weak as it is it has to be a c/f. The problem is that you should be folding 33/55 preflop here (or 3betting) so you're really representing on JJ. If villain has a jack, that leaves one combination that you credibly rep.

River, well I guess really you have to shove as played and pray that he can't handread!
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Old 08-15-2010, 10:49 AM #3 (permalink)  
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even vs those who can't hand read well the paired board + FD bricking is really going to stand out.
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 We can't rep many hands here since you probably 3bet or fold 33, 55 pre and 3bet JJ some of the time and we wouldn't take this line with AJ or KJ ever right? Don't see any Jack or 88-TT folding that turn card.

I like Badgers idea of c/c check lead river if he isn't the type to 2nd barrel a lot.
 
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Old 08-16-2010, 07:05 AM #5 (permalink)  
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So what is our calling range here preflop?
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 If he has lots of hands against you, hasn't played with you in the last 3 months or so and is capable of folding, you can get away with murder.

Yes, you rep JJ, but that's what daven has when daven c/r tripple barrels there.
I would check the turn but I think you can get away with it... and if you bet turn you have to ship river imo.
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Old 08-18-2010, 08:48 PM #7 (permalink)  
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If he has lots of hands against you, hasn't played with you in the last 3 months or so and is capable of folding, you can get away with murder.
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Yes, you rep JJ, but that's what daven has when daven c/r tripple barrels there.
I would check the turn but I think you can get away with it... and if you bet turn you have to ship river imo.
he timebanked, and wasn't slowrolling
he eventually called with AA, but i don't think he was too happy about it...
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Old 08-18-2010, 11:20 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 don't listen to anyone who says u can get away with this

this is absolutely horrible
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Old 08-19-2010, 02:21 AM #9 (permalink)  
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 "terrible, horrible, etc"

This isn't that bad and your responses make me think there is a reason so few people want to put themselves out there by posting a hand. This hand shows a concept that has changed a lot since 2003 and sometimes people aren't up to 2010 with their checkraise ok draws/barrel meh turn card/etc.

3bet pre most of the time. As played I c/c flop and c/f turn against some nits
 
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what do people think of this line if we have AA here?
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what do people think of this line if we have AA here?
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Old 08-19-2010, 03:08 AM #12 (permalink)  
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"terrible, horrible, etc"

This isn't that bad and your responses make me think there is a reason so few people want to put themselves out there by posting a hand. This hand shows a concept that has changed a lot since 2003 and sometimes people aren't up to 2010 with their checkraise ok draws/barrel meh turn card/etc.

3bet pre most of the time. As played I c/c flop and c/f turn against some nits
the concept is good but given how the board ran out we don't rep anything.

I see where you are coming from though its not bad to have this sort of idea in mind.

Also the flop c/r isn't that bad because we can still rep equity and there will be cards on later streets villain will have a hard time continuing on etc. plus if he's nitty he'll often just give up to the c/r. when he DOES call though he has something so we need to be a bit more selective with how we approach future streets. It's worth keeping in mind he will check the turn an overwhelming % of the time so we get a free look often with our draw.

I just really hate barreling off once he calls given how the board ran out. I should probably have been more specific in my response about this being terrible since the flop c/r itself isn't terrible. In fact, thank you for posting this daven this is an interesting hand.
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Old 08-19-2010, 05:01 AM #13 (permalink)  
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fact, thank you for posting this daven this is an interesting hand.
no worries - cheers for the responses.
I have been playing too many interesting hands recently, once i get back in town next week i'll start posting a few more.
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
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