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Miffed22001
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09-18-2008, 05:29 PM
Post subject: Button steal
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Clearly i butchered this.
All i can remember about opp is he had an 'intellipoker' avatar and posted his blind in MP about 20 hands before.
$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
8 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG LSP16 ($195.05)
UTG+1 scorpionfish ($200.00)
MP1 DON747 ($290.40)
MP2 Schü Black ($121.75)
CO moise51 ($249.35)
BTN Hero ($197.00)
SB keez86 ($90.30)
BB jayla ($98.75)
Pre-flop: ($3, 8 players) Hero is BTN  
5 folds, Hero raises to $6, keez86 calls $5, 1 fold
Flop:    ($14, 2 players)
keez86 checks, Hero checks
Turn:  ($14, 2 players)
keez86 checks, Hero bets $8, keez86 calls $8
River:  ($30, 2 players)
keez86 checks, Hero bets $18, keez86 raises to $46, Hero calls $28...?
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Fnord
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09-18-2008, 05:51 PM
Post subject: Re: Button steal
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
All i can remember about opp is he had an 'intellipoker' avatar and posted his blind in MP about 20 hands before.
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Did I backdoor you?
I think the hand is fine. Probably fold the river, but I don't hate a call.
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Deanglow
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looks like a trivial river fold
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
looks like a trivial river fold
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ZOMG WE HAVE TRIPS WITH TOP KICKER.
He probably doesn't have a set or straight. The backdoor flush is the only likley hand that beats us. If he has it, his river c/r is pretty ghey.
I call bets like this all the time and I'm certainly not going broke over it.
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
looks like a trivial river fold
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ZOMG WE HAVE TRIPS WITH TOP KICKER.
He probably doesn't have a set or straight. The backdoor flush is the only likley hand that beats us. If he has it, his river c/r is pretty ghey.
I call bets like this all the time and I'm certainly not going broke over it. |
do we thinks its pretty much 99% a backdoor, or can he occasionally have 4x whatever that 4x ever is.
Im going on the assumption this player is not good either, plus its a little pot
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
do we thinks its pretty much 99% a backdoor
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75%ish backdoor. Maybe less, maybe more. Depends on what I think of him, you're certainly playing a guessing game here.
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BankItDrew
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this c/r has back door written all over it
i hate the big bet on the river btw... i'm value towning Kx for a lot less than $18
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wufwugy
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so not folding
bet like a sissy on turn and a 4 calls then he gets it in his head that he's value towning trips crap kicker on river
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BankItDrew
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so not folding
bet like a sissy on turn and a 4 calls then he gets it in his head that he's value towning trips crap kicker on river
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it's more likely that intelli poker hit a backdoor or flopped a set and fuct up the line vs. case 4 in a HU BvB situation
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Renton
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how is 18 a big bet
i'd bet more and fold to a raise or bet this amount and call. seems like he can be raising worse for value.
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BankItDrew
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Originally Posted by Renton
how is 18 a big bet
i'd bet more and fold to a raise or bet this amount and call. seems like he can be raising worse for value.
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We should be assuming that villain has a 2nd best hand (Kx, because this is the most frequent scenario) and bet accordingly. Our line (including more than half pot bet on river) + board doesn't seem to be worried about kings or trips too, which shows a lot of strength and may blow off random Kx's.
Value towning this to more of a 1/3 pot river bet may be a better idea. Forget what our hand is for a moment and let's concentrate on getting the most out of villain after a very bad river card for him (assuming villain has weaker ldo).
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bigspenda73
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how can you fold after your river bet size
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BankItDrew
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^^^
come again? more words req.
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Originally Posted by Renton
seems like he can be raising worse for value.
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54 is the only worse hand i can think of that might c/r for value.
I can't help but think villain has 66 and just plain out sucks. Avatar has something to do with this hand guess...
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Keilah
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Hand seems played OK.
I'm leaning fold but wouldn't be upset by a call.
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bigspenda73
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I mean I just really dislike this river bet size because I flat out dont think it opens villain's calling range up compared to something bigger. On top of this it's almost small enough to induce a bluff-raise here which is kinda gross because normally I'd just like to bet/fold the river.
$25-28 seems good and you can fold to a raise
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
how can you fold after your river bet size
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i didnt, but i see what you are saying in your later post too, and fully agree hence why i feel i butchered it but wanted to call the c/r because i havent really represented a hand.
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