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monkett
Old 04-09-2005, 07:11 PM     Post subject: Busted KK you opinion please #1 (permalink)  

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***** Pacific Hand History for Game 7795402 *****
$0.25/$0.5 Blinds No Limit Hold'em - Sat Apr 09 09:12:17 GMT Daylight Time 2005
Table Punch Gran Puro (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 10: Clump ( $61.01 )
Seat 2: TabyCat ( $20.8 )
Seat 3: babylux1 ( $26.82 )
Seat 5: Darkpoet ( $65 )
Seat 6: gimemula ( $44.5 )
Seat 7: monkett ( $57.75 )
Seat 8: seansbak ( $40.82 )
Seat 9: french69 ( $37.65 )
Clump posts small blind [$0.25].
TabyCat posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to monkett [ Kc Ks ]
babylux1 calls [$0.5].
Darkpoet folds.
gimemula folds.
monkett raises [$2].
seansbak folds.
french69 folds.
Clump folds.
TabyCat calls [$1.5].
babylux1 calls [$1.5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, 7s, 3h ]
TabyCat checks.
babylux1 bets [$3.5].
monkett calls [$3.5].
TabyCat folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
babylux1 bets [$7.32].
monkett raises [$20].
babylux1 calls [$12.68].
** Dealing River ** [ 9d ]
babylux1 bets [$1.32].
monkett calls [$1.32].
** Summary **
babylux1 shows [ Jc 9s ].
monkett shows [ Kc Ks ].
babylux1 collected [$53.14].




So I would usually on pacific raise my more than $2 with KK or AA probably $3 or $4, but had only been at the table for 10 or so hands. I am quite happy to fold KK if necessary, I don't hang on like they have some special right to win.

But the flop was safe, I think my bet here was a bit low, but I was trying to get some action from the known fish in seat 2, I knew he would call anything up to $4 without thinking, he seems to think he is pot commited if he calls preflop.

I didn't have much information on the eventual winner, but thought I would take the chance of an ace falling on the turn.

I guess my mistake was not pushing in on the turn, but im not sure the result would have been different.

Its probably not a very interesting hand, but is it a just a bad beat, did I play it badly and if so how badly and at what point, or was I just plain greedy and I deserve it.

This in my oppinion was a bad beat:

***** Pacific Hand History for Game 1984335211 *****
$0.25/$0.5 Blinds No Limit Hold'em - Thu Apr 07 16:59:41 GMT Daylight Time 2005
Table Aberdeen Angus (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 10: dm00n ( $21.2 )
Seat 1: reestar ( $52.01 )
Seat 2: monkett ( $45.84 )
Seat 3: cpblack1 ( $5.25 )
Seat 4: coggy2 ( $50 )
Seat 5: LN35chip ( $25.21 )
Seat 6: MooMan85 ( $24.9 )
Seat 7: woppyye1 ( $60.49 )
Seat 8: Dyski ( $54.78 )
Seat 9: Pinkarms ( $48.4 )
woppyye1 posts small blind [$0.25].
Dyski posts big blind [$0.5].
coggy2 posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to monkett [ Qs Qd ]
Pinkarms calls [$0.5].
dm00n folds.
reestar folds.
monkett raises [$2].
cpblack1 raises [$5.25].
coggy2 calls [$4.75].
LN35chip calls [$5.25].
MooMan85 folds.
woppyye1 folds.
Dyski folds.
Pinkarms calls [$4.75].
monkett raises [$20].
coggy2 folds.
Pinkarms calls [$16.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7s, 9h, 2d ]
Pinkarms checks.
monkett bets [$23.84].
Pinkarms calls [$23.84].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4d ]
** Summary **
Pinkarms shows [ 4s 4c ].
monkett shows [ Qs Qd ].
cpblack1 shows [ Kd 7d ].
cpblack1 collected [$25.65].
Pinkarms collected [$79.53].


need i say anymore no that one...
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Old 04-09-2005, 08:32 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Just after a quick glance at the first hand, you should have raised big on the flop and turn, probably putting him all-in on the turn if his remaining stack is small relative to the pot.
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Just after a quick glance at the first hand, you should have raised big on the flop and turn, probably putting him all-in on the turn if his remaining stack is small relative to the pot.
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Old 04-10-2005, 09:38 AM #4 (permalink)  
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The second hand was just a bad beat by a dumb player. It happens
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Old 04-10-2005, 11:19 AM     Post subject: raise the flop #5 (permalink)  

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you need to raise the flop. I am not sure it would have mattered, as he seemed to like his top pair, crap kicker. But at least then he would have had to think a little more
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Old 04-11-2005, 12:00 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 hand one badly badly played. preflop 2 dollars is fine, you got 2 callers. reraise the flop to 10-15, push the turn unless a scare card comes.

hand 2, not just your opinion, it was a bad beat, but wasn't an awful beat. just guesstimating but i think you were like 60% to win?
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Old 04-11-2005, 02:19 PM #7 (permalink)  

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thanks for your feed back, i agree. I think not reraising on the flop is unforgivable, i think i was just being gready, and trying to make more on the river, fishy mistake. I needed to be in the driving seat in this hand.
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Hand 1: Although this is a bad beat, you DEFINITELY have to raise it up big on the flop here, give him incorrect odds to draw to anything.

Hand 2: Sucks to be you :P
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Old 04-11-2005, 02:32 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Raise more on the flop...$3.5 wasn't enough, I'd suggest throwing out a pot-sized or near-pot-sized bet there.

I wouldn't worry too much about what happened, though. The guy playing here is an idiot, you will make money off of this fool.


 
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Raise more on the flop...$3.5 wasn't enough, I'd suggest throwing out a pot-sized or near-pot-sized bet there.

I wouldn't worry too much about what happened, though. The guy playing here is an idiot, you will make money off of this fool.
He didn't bet $3.50, he CALLED $3.50.

You MUST raise it here, I cannot re-iterate it enough.
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