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Renton
Old 06-11-2006, 01:42 PM     Post subject: Busted draw bluff. #1 (permalink)  
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 My image is slag. Villains are both poor taggs. Is this terrible?


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$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, June 11, 03:28:54 ET 2006
Table Sun 'N Fun (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: PartyGirl08 ( $517.90 )
Seat 3: youcanntwin2006 ( $232.45 )
Seat 6: Melea1 ( $190.40 )
Seat 9: MagicSpartan ( $289.20 )
Seat 10: kizo11 ( $224.25 )
Seat 8: Beelzeboz0 ( $378.15 )
Seat 1: The_Tuz ( $171.10 )
Seat 7: Arkkipahis ( $198 )
Seat 5: sthurmond ( $283.70 )
Seat 4: shadyjohn ( $205.40 )
MagicSpartan posts small blind [$1].
The_Tuz posts big blind [$2].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Beelzeboz0 [ Jc 9s ]

PartyGirl08 folds.
youcanntwin2006 folds.
shadyjohn folds.
sthurmond folds.
Melea1 calls [$2].
Arkkipahis folds.
Beelzeboz0 raises [$9].
MagicSpartan calls [$8].
The_Tuz calls [$7].
Melea1 calls [$7].

** Dealing Flop ** [ 2s, Th, 2d ]

MagicSpartan checks.
The_Tuz checks.
Melea1 checks.
Beelzeboz0 checks.

** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]

MagicSpartan bets [$12].
The_Tuz folds.
Melea1 raises [$24].
Beelzeboz0 calls [$24].
MagicSpartan calls [$12].

** Dealing River ** [ 5c ]

MagicSpartan checks.
Melea1 checks.
Beelzeboz0 bets [$80].
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Old 06-11-2006, 02:33 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Against poor TAG's, it seems okay. However, I'd probably call you down here with a AT here, just because it doesn't make sense.
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Old 06-11-2006, 04:00 PM #3 (permalink)  
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What are you representing? I'd think you have AQ/AK for sure. If you have a pair you'd have bet the flop, unless you had TT then you would have reraised the turn. I'd call with any peice of the board or a low pp. (as villian).

Will that "bluff" work 50% of the time? Possibley.
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Old 06-12-2006, 12:49 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Old 06-12-2006, 02:42 AM #5 (permalink)  
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One of these guys has the 10 so they can only put you on 888. I think the big bet on the river is good though. not many players are going to call the river for $80 with a pair of 10's only.
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Old 06-12-2006, 03:45 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Renton: I'm (obviously) a low stakes player. I asked because I'm in the middle of rereading The Book of Bluffs : How to Bluff and Win at Poker (by Lessinger). That's why I asked about the hand you represented.

If you would play a flopped FH the exact same way, then it's a fair bluff, though I wouldn't be surprised if one (or both) people called as flopping monsters with that board is a rare thing. Given that they bet $80 to win $180 and the likelihood of you having TT/T2 is far less than that.
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Old 06-12-2006, 04:07 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Given that they bet $80 to win $180 and the likelihood of you having TT/T2 is far less than that.
T-T or 8-8 are not that unlikely given his betting.

Also, it's not really a question of "would you play T-T like this?" against unobservant opponents. They will often put you on it even if you personally wouldn't play the hand this way.
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Old 06-12-2006, 08:44 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Also, it's not really a question of "would you play T-T like this?" against unobservant opponents. They will often put you on it even if you personally wouldn't play the hand this way.
QFT.

I find even thinking players have lots of difficulty understanding that HIM != YOU. Show someone a line that looks like how he would play it and he'll put you on the hand.

Re: The Hand.

I'd like more information on why you're entering this pot.
I think the turn is a really easy laydown. Fail that, what do you think about a squeeze here? If we put the min-raise on a pair trying to isolate the stab at the pot and see where he's at, then a re-raise to $75 would put them both in a very difficult spot.
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Old 06-12-2006, 09:33 AM #9 (permalink)  
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I'd like more information on why you're entering this pot.
I made an implied odds call on the turn because Melea is a predictable tagg who has a strong hand there a lot. I figured I'd get more than paid off if I hit my str8.

However, when Melea checked that river, I knew my read was bad. Since Melea was the only player I was worried about up to that point, I went ahead and stabbed at this pot.

I think getting aggressive on the turn with a 3bet would be spewage against Melea.
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Old 06-12-2006, 09:34 AM #10 (permalink)  
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I made an implied odds call on the turn because Melea is a predictable tagg who has a strong hand there a lot. I figured I'd get more than paid off if I hit my str8.
Given that description of the player, I'm quite concerned about hitting second best and just let this one go.
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