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bluey

04-06-2006, 07:00 PM Post subject: Bottom two pair 100nl

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He's only been at the table a few hands.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 2

, 3

. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 raises to $2, 2 folds, MP2 calls $2, 3 folds, SB (poster) calls $1.50, Hero calls $1, UTG calls $1.

Flop: ($10) Q

, 3

, 2

(5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10, UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $20, MP2 folds, SB folds, Hero calls $10.

Turn: ($50) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $23.89

If I bet the turn here and he pushes do I call? I really didnt put him on the flush here.

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Fnord

04-06-2006, 07:03 PM

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Fnord is an unknown quantity at this point

Re-raise flop all-in and tell him that if he calls he gets a free river card.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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bair

04-06-2006, 08:59 PM

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yeah im pushing that flop, and the turn

piratepeaty

04-06-2006, 09:35 PM Post subject: Re: Bottom two pair 100nl

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bluey

, 3

. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 raises to $2, 2 folds, MP2 calls $2, 3 folds, SB (poster) calls $1.50, Hero calls $1, UTG calls $1.

Flop: ($10) Q

, 3

, 2

(5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10, UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $20, MP2 folds, SB folds, Hero calls $10.

Turn: ($50) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $23.89

If I bet the turn here and he pushes do I call? I really didnt put him on the flush here.

I hate bottom 2. I would consider folding this preflop, but getting 9:1, I don't hate the call. Position is everything, and you have none here.

We have to worry about AhQh (maybe AhKh against an aggressive player), QQ from UTG+1 and getting counterfieted if he has an overpair. Not to mention there are 3 other opponents to worry about. That is why I would prefer to exercise pot control, and check this flop. If it is checked to UTG+1, and he bets, now would be the time to raise. This will protect your hand as anyone with a flush or straight draw should fear getting stacked between a check-raiser and a preflop raiser. Leading lets flush draws call profitably in this multi-way pot. Check-raising also helps you control the pot size he will be less likely to raise your turn bet if you are ahead, and you know better where you are in the hand.

As played, if you are going to lead this flop you have to push on his raise. If you are ahead, you are not that far ahead, and you are out of position. If you think you are ahead, after he raised the flop, you should reraise to protect your hand, the pot is large and he wants it. Any decent raise would pretty much put you all in, so you might as well push here. Alot of cards on the turn are scary (to him and to you). So get it in while you are the favorite, and he isn't scared away.

As played, lead the turn. You'll be in a better position to determine if he has a hand that beats you. At the same time, this pot is bloated to any decent turn lead, so even if you are behind, I think you might have a problem getting away from this hand.

Fnord

04-06-2006, 09:38 PM

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Why check/raise bomb this instead of bet/push?

Is this a PP100-specific line because those guys so rarely hand you a gift by raising on strong draws and like to button bet?

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Renton

04-06-2006, 09:41 PM

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Probably my most common action on the flop after I flop two pair (especially bottom two or top and bottom) is to reraise all-in.

I generally just take it down or get my chips all in there with 60+ percent equity. Its a superhigh variance situation.

WildBobAA

04-06-2006, 09:46 PM

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Yeah, I also just push the flop.

piratepeaty

04-06-2006, 10:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Why check/raise bomb this instead of bet/push?

Is this a PP100-specific line because those guys so rarely hand you a gift by raising on strong draws and like to button bet?

I like check raise more than bet-3-bet, because our hand is vulnerable. We should protect this hand. If we are called in more than one place on our lead, we are going to be playing a large pot with a hand that isn't that big. Our opponents wouldn't be making a huge mistake calling a bet from us.

Alternatively, if is stays multiway on the turn, we are more likely to make a mistake and get stacked with the worst or fold the best. Anyone with a Q, flush draw and some straight draws are calling our flop lead. I think we make the most money by focusing on UTG+1. Try to get it checked to him and when he bets, we can isolate him.

RiverMonkey

04-07-2006, 05:01 PM

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Keep in mind that I primarily play live $1/2 NL. I also mix in some $3/6 NL and every once in a while if the table looks juicy $5/10 NL ( w/ $1000 cap).

For this hand, I like a CR all-in on the flop, but I like a fold pre-flop even better. I will also sometimes play a two-pair hand like this very conservatively/trappy and keep the pot size under control.

Often, at the right table, with the right opponents if I flop two pair on a two-flush flop, I like to bet big; my opponents tend to put me on a semi-bluff flush draw and like to call with any reasonable pair. But with bottom two holding 23s, the chance of being counterfeited will make this a higher variance play; it's a cash game, so you can always re-load.

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