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mxiu
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02-22-2009, 09:42 PM
Post subject: Bottom set against tighty
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Full House
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Villain is 12/10/3 over 250 hands. I probably should've bet river and called a raise, but as played I thought I should only call.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP2 ($188)
CO ($102.70)
Button ($167.25)
Hero (SB) ($229.90)
BB ($100)
UTG ($101.70)
UTG+1 ($103.70)
MP1 ($98.50)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 3 , 3
3 folds, MP2 bets $4, CO calls $4, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.50, 1 fold
Flop: ($13) K, 3 , A (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO checks
Turn: ($13) J (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $9, 1 fold, Hero calls $9
River: ($31) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $13, Hero calls $13
Total pot: $57 | Rake: $2.75
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Im_new
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Why aren't we betting the flop for value? Sure the check is seductive and deceptive, but villain will call with a BUNCH that we beat.
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yuenjai
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i'd bet this flop.
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mxiu
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Well I figure a c/r seems more deceptive on this kind of board since we're repping such a small range.
Yeah, in hindsight I shoulda bet the flop though. Seems like the best play.
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badgers
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bet flop. as played bet turn, as played check raise turn. Bet river, as played you need to raise to something... maybe minraise or just a bit more and fold to a shove, but hand is so screwed on flop turn and river that when we get the action back to us on river we're severely under-repped and it's just a weird spot.
this hand is not good.
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Parasurama
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going for a c/r on the flop is standard, but you have to lead the turn when it checks around.
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mxiu
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Originally Posted by badgers
bet flop. as played bet turn, as played check raise turn. Bet river, as played you need to raise to something... maybe minraise or just a bit more and fold to a shove, but hand is so screwed on flop turn and river that when we get the action back to us on river we're severely under-repped and it's just a weird spot.
this hand is not good.
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Yeah, when I got to the river I was in disgust at how I'm making so little value.. I think the fundamental mistake was definitely not betting the turn.
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Originally Posted by Parasurama
going for a c/r on the flop is standard, but you have to lead the turn when it checks around.
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this.
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Miffed22001
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do everything but what you did.
Prefer a lead on flop rather than c/r as this flop def hit a good % of his range. he may raise the flop or just choose to call - but you get a turn bet when checked too him IMO.
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bigspenda73
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lulz leading
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badgers
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ummm no i dont really like c/r on this board cos we're repping 33 or air...
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bigspenda73
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cool, glad I didn't say c/r
tbh I fold PF a decent %, big leak? I think it's a pretty simple fold if there isn't a coldcaller.
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
cool, glad I didn't say c/r
tbh I fold PF a decent %, big leak? I think it's a pretty simple fold if there isn't a coldcaller.
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I fold preflop a large portion of the time also. I found out a while back pps well just aren't that great, especially oop. It's harder to extract, and pps that turn into underpairs don't really make for that profitable of a bluffing range because you have so little equity when called.
And badgers, if we are repping only 33 or air, then wouldn't a check/raise be great?
But tbh, I'm kinda indifferent on our flop line. Leading, and check/raising both seem fine imo.
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
cool, glad I didn't say c/r
tbh I fold PF a decent %, big leak? I think it's a pretty simple fold if there isn't a coldcaller.
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cold caller is the only reason we are in the pot right?
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by badgers
ummm no i dont really like c/r on this board cos we're repping 33 or air...
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how often do you fold when your opponent is representing one hand?
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badgers
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not often but I'm not a total nit. If we check/raise we are always getting stacked by AA/KK and not always getting it in with AK because this person is a nit. I also think we can get more value from AQ and also more value from the CO with a wider range if we lead.
No I don't think it's a good spot to c/r bluff...
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Deanglow
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Preflop is fine
Flop is totally fine, leading sucks
Turn bet 3/4
river bet 3/4 and if he raises then probably just call
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