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Old 04-17-2006, 01:00 AM     Post subject: Bottom 2 No Good? #1 (permalink)  
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 Flopped a big blind special, apparently no good, agree?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

SB ($76)
Hero ($315.90)
UTG ($141.35)
UTG+1 ($37.75)
UTG+2 ($241.35)
MP1 ($241.49)
MP2 ($219.95)
MP3 ($177.65)
CO ($264.95)
Button ($101.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , . SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, 3 folds, MP2 calls $2, 1 fold, CO calls $2, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: ($9) , , (4 players)
Hero bets $6, UTG raises to $16, MP2 folds, CO calls $16, Hero raises to $35, UTG All-in, CO folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $76
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Old 04-17-2006, 01:22 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Looks like a set of Tens.
 
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Old 04-17-2006, 01:24 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 Possible hands I was up against:

http://poker-tools.FlopTurnRiver.com...Calculator.php
FlopTurnRiver.com -h 5s 2c - 2h 2s -- 2d 5c td
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 5c Td 2d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5s 2c 90 9.09 900 90.91 0 0.00 0.091
2s 2h 900 90.91 90 9.09 0 0.00 0.909

http://poker-tools.FlopTurnRiver.com...Calculator.php
FlopTurnRiver.com -h 5s 2c - ad 5d -- 2d 5c td
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 5c Td 2d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5s 2c 436 44.04 546 55.15 8 0.81 0.444
Ad 5d 546 55.15 436 44.04 8 0.81 0.556

http://poker-tools.FlopTurnRiver.com...Calculator.php
FlopTurnRiver.com -h 5s 2c - ad tc -- 2d 5c td
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 5c Td 2d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5s 2c 687 69.39 303 30.61 0 0.00 0.694
Tc Ad 303 30.61 687 69.39 0 0.00 0.306

CO might have had a hand like this:

http://poker-tools.FlopTurnRiver.com...Calculator.php
FlopTurnRiver.com -h 5s 2c - qd jd -- 2d 5c td
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 5c Td 2d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5s 2c 638 64.44 352 35.56 0 0.00 0.644
Qd Jd 352 35.56 638 64.44 0 0.00 0.356

I think I was against the first option - trips - the guy was pretty tight and quiet, but woke up on this hand.
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Old 04-17-2006, 01:27 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 Limpin in on TT? I put him on 22 or 55 after the all in, either way I'm hurting.
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Old 04-17-2006, 01:47 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Yea, i've seen a lot of people who limp TT UTG. Not saying it's a good play, but i've seen it quite a bit.

I was basically saying it looks like he's got a set, I just said TT because it's more likely than 22 or 55 because you have a 2 and a 5 in you rhand.
 
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Old 04-17-2006, 02:08 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 could be a limp/reraise attempt with AA that missed. Thats really all you beat, and you don't beat it by much.
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Old 04-17-2006, 02:14 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 Yeah, could be Renton, I guess AA could be played similarly... that's interesting, if you had AA here, would you re-raise all-in, call, or fold?

My image was solid at this table.

Against AA:

http://poker-tools.FlopTurnRiver.com...Calculator.php
FlopTurnRiver.com -h 5s 2c - Ad Ac -- 2d 5c td
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 5c Td 2d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5s 2c 687 69.39 303 30.61 0 0.00 0.694
Ac Ad 303 30.61 687 69.39 0 0.00 0.306

I'm a 69% favorite here if that's the case...
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Old 04-17-2006, 02:18 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 Hm yeah 22 and 55 seem a bit less likely than TT since you already have the 2 and the 5. My instinct tells me he has AA/KK/QQ here, and wants to cash in after slowplaying preflop. If that is the case, you're at 70% to win. Maybe it's optimistic of me but that was my first intuition here.
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Old 04-17-2006, 02:18 AM #9 (permalink)  
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AA should be able to get away from the hand after you put in the raise to $35. He has to be really bad to overplay AA that much.
 
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Old 04-17-2006, 02:20 AM #10 (permalink)  
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If he's a non-donkey, he doesn't have A-A. He definitely has a set, doesn't really matter how big his set is. Even if he's just overplaying top pair or an overpair, you aren't a prohibitive favorite.
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Old 04-17-2006, 03:13 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Well I have to admit this is a very tough laydown;with the stacks this deep and if you trust your read that villain is remotely competent that he probably has Bottom Two Pair beat and is trying to cash in with you.I guess I'd lay it down also IF I was sure of my read.
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Old 04-17-2006, 04:12 AM #12 (permalink)  
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 Yeah, it wasn't the easiest to lay down. I could have just called but that wouldn't have done anthing, another card would only hurt me. I can't fold to just $10 more on flopping 2 pair. So I figured I had to find out where I was at with a re-raise.

When he re-raised me again, a solid image player with the big stack on the table, I think he makes it clear that he can beat my bottom 2 . And I think I made it pretty clear that I had two pair.

Anyway, I'm not sure about my read, but the betting tells a lot if he's not a maniac. I don't think he was a maniac.
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Old 04-17-2006, 04:34 AM #13 (permalink)  
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I think you played the hand perfectly
 
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Old 04-17-2006, 04:50 AM #14 (permalink)  
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I like your fold here. Well played.
 
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